[UbuntuWomen] UW list and attachments.

Nigel Babu nigelbabu at ubuntu.com
Mon Apr 5 07:09:13 UTC 2010

स्वक्ष wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> I am being forced to bring up this issued to the mailing list after a
> very long conversation on IRC which I found very disturbing as it took
> on an accusatory tone despite me spending more than an hour on an
> early Monday morning clarifying why attachments should not be sent to
> mailing lists.
> Backgrounder and irc logs:
> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/04/%23ubuntu-women-project.html
> ((Discussion period : 21:33 UTC in the logs).
> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/05/%23ubuntu-women-project.html
> (Discussion period : 02:49 to 03:57 UTC in the logs).
> Yesterday night on IRC, I was pinged that Amber's mail was in
> moderation and my response to her was in approx. 5 hours and 20 min,
> given the timezones and real-life situations we all have. She had also
> mailed me off-list where I said the same thing (no large files, link
> them to the mails instead).
> In the above IRC discussion you will note that I have explained
> repeatedly that :  Attachments are frowned upon on mailing lists and
> never approved beyond a size limit so please upload it on the UW wiki
> (or any other server) and include a link in your emails to the list.
> This reasoning was then used to ask for admin privs on the list and I
> explained that if it was to approve attachments to the list then its
> moot --Sending large files to all list members is not a good idea and
> its annoying to people (for various reasons). I was told that that is
> not the case in some other lists.
> So here is my query to the list members : Do you want to receive
> attachments from the UW list? Please vote on this as its just a case
> of changing default MM behaviour. Its not a case of me controlling the
> list (which I was accused of repeatedly) because I refused to support
> approving attachments to the list and changing list admins on the
> basis of UW leader election cycles. This does not happen in any linux
> community, let alone on any ubuntu list that i know of. Correct me if
> i am wrong please.
> The accusation from "approve mails with attachments" to "didnt give
> elected UW leader list admin status" is a logical fallacy at best.
> Fwiw, the standard MM installation has Maximum length 40 kilobytes
> (KB) for each message and this is common to all Linux-projects, not UW
> alone. It has nothing whatsoever to do with UW leadership (as it was
> being made out). That is why I think its important to ask if the list
> members wish to receive attachments at all and based on the responses,
> MM will be changed (or not). My personal choice is -1, no attachments
> or large files to the list.
> Regarding the adding UW list admins, we have had calls on the list
> earlier and the last time around too there were enough logical
> fallacies used. Here are some archives for perusal:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/001976.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/001992.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002019.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002008.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002006.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/002024.html
> ....are just some. The June2009 archives are here:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2009-June/thread.html
> Meeting Agenda:  I was told that it would be added to the agenda.
> Regarding the election of list admins, before that is added to the
> agenda, Please also explain how being a list admin ties up with
> encouraging and increasing women in Ubuntu? I am surprised that a
> non-issue (approving bulk attachments) to the list has become a "not
> supporting the UW leader issue".  Hopefully having a leader(s) for the
> team does not translate into such baseless accusations in future.
> Anyway, while on it can someone clarify if they are dissatisfied with
> the current admins and *why*.  Has the response time been slow (or not
> at all). Feel free to discuss it here.
> Finally, I must mention that, today, I was feeling attacked and that
> my words were being deliberately twisted in this IRC discussion and I
> am not sure why but feel free to read the logs and judge for
> yourselves. However, it sure left a bad taste and somewhere there
> seems to be a diversion from the UW goal -- increasing women
> contributors in Ubuntu.
> Thanks,
> vid || http://svaksha.com

Just adding my 2 cents, I do *not* want to receive attachments from the 
M/L. When using pop3, it tends to clog my mailbox. I have to manually 
delete the email from my webclient to make it work. So big -1 on 
attachments on M/L.

Warm Regards
Nigel Babu

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