[xubuntu-users] Software Updater package?

David Walland davidwalland at googlemail.com
Sat Sep 28 14:22:50 UTC 2013

Dear Ralf,

I accept that there is a problem with this particular updater, but my
principle remains.  The more you try to force people to think, the less
will come on-board.  I've spent almost my entire working life working in
Universities as a technical support worker.
I even believe in education so much that most of my dental work is done by
students in the University I work for now.  I believe that you can only
*persuade*, not force, people to learn.  By making life appear harder to
them, they will simply "vote with their feet" and stay away.  Shortly, 40%
of the world's Windows users are going to lose all support for their
product.  What an opportunity for the whole Linux community to engage these
people.  But it won't happen if they have to climb over too big a learning
curb (that amount of knowledge you need to know before you can start to
learn alone); I know - I'm trying to get over it myself with Xubuntu, which
is why I continue on this list.  About one new posting in 10 means
something to me.  I don't think that will encourage ordinary folk to join...

I understand well where you're coming from, I just disagree in principle,
if not in detail (this app may be/probably is c##p for all I know).  My
point is that user friendliness *has* to target the audience you want,
which means that it will annoy/irritate/bore those who are far upstream in

In my own specialist field I'm very expert and I've been there, hence my
hope that the Linux community can learn from people like me and equivalent
others how *not* to get it wrong.

Sorry User-Friendliness is a personal hobbyhorse.



On 28 September 2013 14:39, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> Hi David :)
> my tone of voice was inappropriate, but I dislike most of those
> automations. Newbies get a wrong impression of Linux, they start using
> it in the same way as other people use Apple and Microsoft computers and
> they will miss the advantages of Linux. The claim that such software
> like an update manager will make it easier for newbies IMO is wrong, it
> makes it harder to understand Linux, hence the question, against what
> package to file a bug, by somebody who used apt-get. The question is
> understandable, but it's not understandable for me, that a software
> updater opens a window and ask the user to reboot. I know an OS that
> does ask to reboot and this is not Linux ;).
> Future generations should learn some basics about computers. Our
> generations experience all those marketing, privacy, security issues
> because computers are new. Not everybody needs to become an expert. I'm
> not an expert for modern computers myself.
> IMO *buntus make an evil step in a completely wrong direction.
> 2 Cents,
> Ralf
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