<div dir="ltr">Dear Ralf,<div><br></div><div>I accept that there is a problem with this particular updater, but my principle remains. The more you try to force people to think, the less will come on-board. I've spent almost my entire working life working in Universities as a technical support worker.</div>
<div>I even believe in education so much that most of my dental work is done by students in the University I work for now. I believe that you can only *persuade*, not force, people to learn. By making life appear harder to them, they will simply "vote with their feet" and stay away. Shortly, 40% of the world's Windows users are going to lose all support for their product. What an opportunity for the whole Linux community to engage these people. But it won't happen if they have to climb over too big a learning curb (that amount of knowledge you need to know before you can start to learn alone); I know - I'm trying to get over it myself with Xubuntu, which is why I continue on this list. About one new posting in 10 means something to me. I don't think that will encourage ordinary folk to join...</div>
<div><br></div><div>I understand well where you're coming from, I just disagree in principle, if not in detail (this app may be/probably is c##p for all I know). My point is that user friendliness *has* to target the audience you want, which means that it will annoy/irritate/bore those who are far upstream in knowledge.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In my own specialist field I'm very expert and I've been there, hence my hope that the Linux community can learn from people like me and equivalent others how *not* to get it wrong.</div><div><br>
</div><div>Sorry User-Friendliness is a personal hobbyhorse.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>David</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 September 2013 14:39, Ralf Mardorf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net" target="_blank">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi David :)<br>
<br>
my tone of voice was inappropriate, but I dislike most of those<br>
automations. Newbies get a wrong impression of Linux, they start using<br>
it in the same way as other people use Apple and Microsoft computers and<br>
they will miss the advantages of Linux. The claim that such software<br>
like an update manager will make it easier for newbies IMO is wrong, it<br>
makes it harder to understand Linux, hence the question, against what<br>
package to file a bug, by somebody who used apt-get. The question is<br>
understandable, but it's not understandable for me, that a software<br>
updater opens a window and ask the user to reboot. I know an OS that<br>
does ask to reboot and this is not Linux ;).<br>
<br>
Future generations should learn some basics about computers. Our<br>
generations experience all those marketing, privacy, security issues<br>
because computers are new. Not everybody needs to become an expert. I'm<br>
not an expert for modern computers myself.<br>
<br>
IMO *buntus make an evil step in a completely wrong direction.<br>
<br>
2 Cents,<br>
Ralf<br>
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