Is it just me, or is there a reason for it?

James Hogarth james.hogarth at
Thu Aug 12 17:22:45 UTC 2010

I would imagine a regular user has little use for reading logs but having
more details there for debugging issues when the occur or for app auto
reporting is very beneficial.

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On 12 Aug 2010 17:55, "R Kimber" <richardkimber at> wrote:
The level of logging seems to me to be far in excess of what the ordinary
user needs.  I can understand that a developer might need:-

Aug 12 16:37:41 infinity udevd[494]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev
version, please use SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to
match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/52-nut-usbups.rules:6 Aug 12
16:38:33 infinity udevd[494]: last message repeated 3 times

Maybe someone, somewhere, needs:-

Aug 12 07:51:32 infinity texpire[31193]: texpire 1.11.7: use_atime is 1,
verbosity level 0, debugmode 0


Aug 11 15:23:09 infinity kernel: [535510.617659] type=1503
audit(1281536589.896:95):  operation="open" pid=12141 parent=1
profile="/usr/bin/evince" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=1000
ouid=1000 name="/media/zip/rwanda.doc"

But it seems to me that the majority of users probably don't need this
level of reporting, though they want some, perhaps using something like
logcheck. Although these messages can be rendered 'invisible' to the user
by logcheck rules, this requires the mastery of extended regular
expressions, and most users neither want this level of involvement nor want
to spend undue time on system administration.

Do we get these sorts of messages because some debug option hasn't been
turned off when apps have been compiled (i.e. could package maintainers be
persuaded to be more careful in this respect), or is there a good
(user-level) reason for them?

- Richard.
Richard Kimber
Political Science Resources

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