Possible State Meeting Solutions

[Daniel Stone]

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Dear Texas Team,

I see several issues with just status quo.  It  fails because chatter
on an IRC channel makes it hard to follow and does not give an
adequate time to address and vote on topics.

As I have stated before the channel can and has been used but I
believe that moderation (since it can only happen from select
individuals) can steer the conversations and discussions.

When an item needs to be voted on it should be addressed prior to any
meeting. Also with the announcement of voting item could be a way to
simply vote on it and a place to enter personal thoughts on that topic
beforehand.

This was not the case on the last IRC meeting.

This way an item to vote on could have a week or so to vote on prior
to discussion to get a true consensus.

Take this for instance
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-tx/2009-December/000077.html
one reading this thread would think that the discussions had come to a
close on a Centex group while in fact
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-tx/2009-December/000072.html
addresses this just days after the meeting and the forum post
discussion some basic questions regarding the meeting place were never
addressed and some of the other basic questions went unanswered.

This may be the de-facto discussion place but to hold a vote or a poll
does not say that this service works best. IRC is good for general
chatter but the facts are already it place. I does not work to address
and respond to large opposing opinions.

I see nothing wrong with using google or other other services to take
up the slack. And I do not see google fading away soon. In fact the
reason this is still in beta is google has redundancy layers to
approve new services just as gmail  went through.

I we remain stagnant then the team will remain the same. We need to
look at the future and adapt to improvements.

Cordially,


Daniel Sone




matthew byers wrote:
> I think we need to consider that too many aspects of meeting options
> can become an issue...why not irc, then why not wave, then why not
> dimdim, then why not email meetings...see where im heading with
> this! If its not broken why mess with it??
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Marc Randolph <mrand at pobox.com
> <mailto:mrand at pobox.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Daniel Stone
>     <webmaster at catcodesigns.net <mailto:webmaster at catcodesigns.net>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     > I was referring to how we conduct meetings.
>     > What does a mailing list not have in relation to wave(google
>     wave)?
>     >
>     >  one
>     > : a real time effect like chat.
>     >
>     >  two
>     > : it offers a place that discussion can happen over the course
>     of a
>     > few days this would be great on voting
>     >
>     >  three
>     > : discussions and supporting documents can be in on place
>     making it
>     > much  easier to read and follow the discussion.
>     >
>     > Whilst google wave is beta -- dimdim already does this.
>     > [...]
>
>     If one of the main reasons to switch is so that conversations,
>     votes,
>     and other things can occur over days, I don't place much weight
>     on the
>     real-time aspect.  But let's say some people do want
>     near-realtime...
>     all that needs to change is those few people can sign up for
>     gmail or
>     some other email service that doesn't have much polling in the
>     way of
>     a polling delay.  Messages are typically delivered in about the same
>     amount of time it takes to type them.  Use a subject line, and they
>     are threaded into conversations / topics.  Great for organizing.
>
>     Items two and three are ideally solved by the existing email
>     list, IMHO.
>
>     I'm truly not trying to be difficult, but I truly don't see why we
>     can't continue to use this mailing list that rather than making
>     _everyone_ that wanted to participate sign up for some random
>     non-official service that might die someday, and take our archived
>     discussions with it.
>
>     > This message was attempted the way you instructedand I had to
>     add the
>     > mailing list to the to recipients.
>
>     Worked great.  Thanks!
>
>       Marc
>
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