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Sun Apr 25 13:48:26 BST 2010
members are already ubuntu members but, ubuntu users/'members' of the loco
are not aware of BLU. For instance, I had heard it refered to as Boston
Linux 'Users' group not 'Unix', not a big deal but, for someone like myself
who is relatively new, and learning(concidence I was thinking unix would be
cool thing learn) this feels like two groups that would have a mutally
beneficial relationship, is becoming quite polarized.
This is coming from a perspective of a moderate user. If I had not read
about different distros, these groups come off as mutual exclusive. Strange
or ironic FLOSS believers are closed minded in approach.
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> From: "J.M. \"Peng\" Hardin" <peng.thinkblue at gmail.com>
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> Great questions and comment, all. I haven't been anywhere near as active in
> the LoCo as I'd like, but would it be possible to set up a secondary but
> parallel group to promote GNU/Linux in general, without being
> distro-specific? I'm sure it's a lot more work than I realize, but it might
> give us the best of both worlds. I'm not sure how realistic the idea is,
> but
> I wanted to throw it out in case it's not as idiotic an idea as I think it
> may be.
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> From: Wesley Hirsch <emperorshishire at gmail.com>
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> Heh... I was just about to suggest that. Beat me to the punch. I agree,
> it's probably a better idea to start a completely new group built around
> F/OSS ideals. I don't see a problem with most of us being a part of two
> similar groups simultaneously, and I'm not entirely sure I wanna forsake
> the
> Ubuntu connection if we have a choice. I think it may be a bad idea to
> just
> drop Ubuntu sponsorship, partially because of "Brand Recognition". Out of
> all the linux distros out there, Ubuntu is probably the best known to
> people
> who don't know anything whatsoever about linux. On the other hand, I agree
> with Danny as well that we shouldn't be locking ourselves into one distro,
> else we face the same kind of problem that proprietary systems face (Sure,
> we can change it as much as we want, but then it's no longer really Ubuntu,
> now is it?).
>
> --Wesley
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, J.M. "Peng" Hardin <
> peng.thinkblue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great questions and comment, all. I haven't been anywhere near as active
> in
> > the LoCo as I'd like, but would it be possible to set up a secondary but
> > parallel group to promote GNU/Linux in general, without being
> > distro-specific? I'm sure it's a lot more work than I realize, but it
> might
> > give us the best of both worlds. I'm not sure how realistic the idea is,
> but
> > I wanted to throw it out in case it's not as idiotic an idea as I think
> it
> > may be.
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *J.M. "Peng" Hardin
> > *My Blog: I'm Just an Avatar
> > <http://nancib.wordpress.com/>Follow me on Twitter @BostonPeng<
> http://twitter.com/BostonPeng>
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> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:17:34 -0400
> From: James Gray <jamespgray at gmail.com>
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> I like being part of an *Ubuntu* loco because it is something very
> specific. Linux and FOSS are very general. It is harder to say "a FOSS
> operating system will meet your needs" when you don't have a particular
> operating system in mind and different Linux distros cater to such
> different
> needs not to mention there are a number of other OS options.
>
> I see Ubuntu as a vehicle to permote FOSS adoption rather then an exclusive
> club.
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Wesley Hirsch
> <emperorshishire at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Heh... I was just about to suggest that. Beat me to the punch. I agree,
> > it's probably a better idea to start a completely new group built around
> > F/OSS ideals. I don't see a problem with most of us being a part of two
> > similar groups simultaneously, and I'm not entirely sure I wanna forsake
> the
> > Ubuntu connection if we have a choice. I think it may be a bad idea to
> just
> > drop Ubuntu sponsorship, partially because of "Brand Recognition". Out
> of
> > all the linux distros out there, Ubuntu is probably the best known to
> people
> > who don't know anything whatsoever about linux. On the other hand, I
> agree
> > with Danny as well that we shouldn't be locking ourselves into one
> distro,
> > else we face the same kind of problem that proprietary systems face
> (Sure,
> > we can change it as much as we want, but then it's no longer really
> Ubuntu,
> > now is it?).
> >
> > --Wesley
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, J.M. "Peng" Hardin <
> > peng.thinkblue at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Great questions and comment, all. I haven't been anywhere near as active
> >> in the LoCo as I'd like, but would it be possible to set up a secondary
> but
> >> parallel group to promote GNU/Linux in general, without being
> >> distro-specific? I'm sure it's a lot more work than I realize, but it
> might
> >> give us the best of both worlds. I'm not sure how realistic the idea is,
> but
> >> I wanted to throw it out in case it's not as idiotic an idea as I think
> it
> >> may be.
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> *J.M. "Peng" Hardin
> >> *My Blog: I'm Just an Avatar
> >> <http://nancib.wordpress.com/>Follow me on Twitter @BostonPeng<
> http://twitter.com/BostonPeng>
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> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:37:28 -0400
> From: Bill Simonds <wtsimonds at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Is Ubuntu-centricity holding us back?
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> I think we need a group devoted to Ubuntu Satanic Edition.
>
> http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/
>
> I believe that devil worshipers are under represented in society, and
> we need recognition. Perhaps we could have a sub-group devoted to the
> Dark Master...
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Danny Piccirillo
> <danny.piccirillo at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > For a while now, i've been thinking about the possibility of ending our
> > Ubuntu-centricity. The community is Ubuntu's greatest strength, yet the
> > community isn't being listened to. More importantly though, i think it is
> a
> > huge disservice to the greater Free Software (aka Open Source) ecosystem
> to
> > have one of the strongest global network of advocates to be banded around
> > one distribution. I'd like to propose that we become a general Free
> Software
> > team, and recommend that the rest of the LoCo's do the same.
> > I can't even think of any pros to being an Ubuntu-only team. Having one
> OS
> > to promote may make certain advocacy easier, but there's no reason why a
> > general team couldn't make the decision to primarily support Ubuntu in
> most
> > cases. As an official LoCo, we get freebies from Canonical, but i don't
> > think this is a very big deal. We can make our own CDs and i'm sure if we
> > were doing worthy projects, Canonical would still be willing to provide
> us
> > with CDs, as it would be in their interest.
> > Now, a few of the cons:
> >
> > Lack of community input for major decisions and arrogance among those in
> > charge
> > Lack of support for educational events,?and it's not hard to see why
> since
> > Canonical may endanger their own educational services?revenue if they
> helped
> > out more.
> > Alienate the many many non-Ubuntu members of the Free Software community
> > Being exclusive to Ubuntu makes it hard to reach out to a wider audience
> of
> > people with varying levels of interest from beginners to hardcore
> computer
> > people
> > We're doing a disservice to the rest of the community by only
> acknowledging
> > one free desktop OS
> >
> > I think what we are united around, more so than an OS which, to be frank,
> i
> > don't feel any loyalty towards, is ideals. Yes, i'm sure at least one
> person
> > is thinking that they just care about what tools work, but let's not
> forget
> > to thank the ideals that made these better tools possible. I think most
> of
> > us imagine a world where these ideals are universal, and see an
> incredible
> > amount of potential in that.
> > If this idea is well-received, we could either just do our own thing or
> use
> > LibrePlanet which is a network that already exists and would be easy to
> move
> > to. I understand some people have some badly tainted perceptions of the
> FSF,
> > but i would have no problem being a part of their extended network.
> Either
> > way, the more i think about it, the more i do think it is appropriate for
> > LoCo's to abandon their exclusive-to-Ubuntu nature.
> > I'm sure you can think of other good reasons as well. We would be giving
> up
> > our Ubuntu exclusivity, but not abandoning Ubuntu. It seems this could
> make
> > our job easier, benefit the greater FLOSS community, and still have no
> > significant disadvantage for Ubuntu.
> > Thoughts?
> > --
> > .danny
> >
> > ??? - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo
> > Every (in)decision matters.
> >
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> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:07:26 -0400
> From: Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Is Ubuntu-centricity holding us back?
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> Are you suggesting Ubuntu holds back the SETC team mission and SETC holds
> back the mission to spread Ubuntu to the masses?
>
> Or that you want to promote all FLOSS not just one brand?
>
> Whenever I was at an installfest, I had by collection of old install disks
> and recent magazine disks -- if someone had asked for Open Office for
> Windows or Fedora, I'd have helped install it. It might not be on the menu,
> but a good kitchen can serve whatever is ordered. I can support Ubuntu
> best
> by not telling someone to run it when it would be the wrong choice for
> them.
>
> We already have in Greater Boston a no-limits Linux User Group, BLU.org,
> Boston Linux Unix, that does any-distro installfests, and which is open to
> even commercial Unix -- which explains why it is the only LUG older than
> Linux. BLU will have a booth at LinuxCon this summer here in Boston. It
> could really use some younger members, so Danny and anyone else wishing to
> be active outside of Ubuntu be welcome to join us there. Last week, we
> heard
> about using a commercial product, Dragon Naturally Speaking, under WINE.
> Upcoming:
>
> 1. Wed, May 19, 2010 :: Open Source and Astaro's
> Business<http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-may>
> 2. Sat, May 22, 2010 :: Linux InstallFest
> XXXVII<http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-ifest37>
> 3. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 :: Secure Data Deletion Under
> linux<http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-jun>
> 4. Wed, Sep 15, 2010 :: PGP/GnuPG Keysigning Party XI, plus a talk by V.
> Alex Brennan. <http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-sep>
>
>
> Boston is also galactic headquarters for EFF & Gnu. They support all FLOSS
> that is free enough by their standards. Good folks, different mission.
>
> Having a connection however disfunctional to Canonical and the rest of
> Ubu-core is what makes *this* Local-Community team unique among LUGs. We
> can
> escalate questions through channels. If someone wants help with *buntu,
> they
> should want tqgo through this team. This team should not walk away from
> that.
> However, we might not want to be quite so Gnome/U-buntu centric.
> Especially while the buttons are bollixed and Mono is being pushed, we
> should consider pushing LUbuntu (Lxde) as the alternative for those that
> shouldn't be on Kubuntu (KDE), especially since Xubuntu (XFCE) is no longer
> usable on obsolete hardware.
>
>
> --
> Bill
> n1vux at arrl.net bill.n1vux at gmail.com
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