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e loco are not aware of BLU.=A0 For instance, I had heard it refered to as =
Boston Linux 'Users' group not 'Unix', not a big deal but, =
for someone like myself who is relatively new, and learning(concidence I wa=
s thinking unix would be cool thing learn)=A0 this feels like two groups th=
at would have a mutally beneficial relationship, is becoming quite polarize=
d.<br>
<br>This is coming from a perspective of a moderate user.=A0 If I had not r=
ead about different distros, these groups come off as mutual exclusive.=A0 =
Strange or ironic FLOSS believers are closed minded in approach.<br>=A0 <br=
>=A0<br>
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Great questions and comment, all. I haven't been anywhere near as activ=
e in<br>
the LoCo as I'd like, but would it be possible to set up a secondary bu=
t<br>
parallel group to promote GNU/Linux in general, without being<br>
distro-specific? I'm sure it's a lot more work than I realize, but =
it might<br>
give us the best of both worlds. I'm not sure how realistic the idea is=
, but<br>
I wanted to throw it out in case it's not as idiotic an idea as I think=
it<br>
may be.<br>
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*J.M. "Peng" Hardin<br>
*My Blog: I'm Just an Avatar<br>
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:21:58 -0400<br>
From: Wesley Hirsch <<a href=3D"mailto:emperorshishire at gmail.com">empero=
rshishire at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Is Ubuntu-centricity holding us back?<br>
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Heh... I was just about to suggest that. =A0Beat me to the punch. =A0I agre=
e,<br>
it's probably a better idea to start a completely new group built aroun=
d<br>
F/OSS ideals. =A0I don't see a problem with most of us being a part of =
two<br>
similar groups simultaneously, and I'm not entirely sure I wanna forsak=
e the<br>
Ubuntu connection if we have a choice. =A0I think it may be a bad idea to j=
ust<br>
drop Ubuntu sponsorship, partially because of "Brand Recognition"=
. =A0Out of<br>
all the linux distros out there, Ubuntu is probably the best known to peopl=
e<br>
who don't know anything whatsoever about linux. =A0On the other hand, I=
agree<br>
with Danny as well that we shouldn't be locking ourselves into one dist=
ro,<br>
else we face the same kind of problem that proprietary systems face (Sure,<=
br>
we can change it as much as we want, but then it's no longer really Ubu=
ntu,<br>
now is it?).<br>
<br>
--Wesley<br>
<br>
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, J.M. "Peng" Hardin <<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:peng.thinkblue at gmail.com">peng.thinkblue at gmail.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br>
<br>
> Great questions and comment, all. I haven't been anywhere near as =
active in<br>
> the LoCo as I'd like, but would it be possible to set up a seconda=
ry but<br>
> parallel group to promote GNU/Linux in general, without being<br>
> distro-specific? I'm sure it's a lot more work than I realize,=
but it might<br>
> give us the best of both worlds. I'm not sure how realistic the id=
ea is, but<br>
> I wanted to throw it out in case it's not as idiotic an idea as I =
think it<br>
> may be.<br>
> ------------------------------<br>
><br>
> *J.M. "Peng" Hardin<br>
> *My Blog: I'm Just an Avatar<br>
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:17:34 -0400<br>
From: James Gray <<a href=3D"mailto:jamespgray at gmail.com">jamespgray at gma=
il.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Is Ubuntu-centricity holding us back?<br>
To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team<br>
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I like being part of an *Ubuntu* loco because it is something very<br>
specific. =A0Linux and FOSS are very general. =A0It is harder to say "=
a FOSS<br>
operating system will meet your needs" when you don't have a parti=
cular<br>
operating system in mind and different Linux distros cater to such differen=
t<br>
needs not to mention there are a number of other OS options.<br>
<br>
I see Ubuntu as a vehicle to permote FOSS adoption rather then an exclusive=
<br>
club.<br>
<br>
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Wesley Hirsch<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:emperorshishire at gmail.com">emperorshishire at gmail.com<=
/a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Heh... I was just about to suggest that. =A0Beat me to the punch. =A0I=
agree,<br>
> it's probably a better idea to start a completely new group built =
around<br>
> F/OSS ideals. =A0I don't see a problem with most of us being a par=
t of two<br>
> similar groups simultaneously, and I'm not entirely sure I wanna f=
orsake the<br>
> Ubuntu connection if we have a choice. =A0I think it may be a bad idea=
to just<br>
> drop Ubuntu sponsorship, partially because of "Brand Recognition&=
quot;. =A0Out of<br>
> all the linux distros out there, Ubuntu is probably the best known to =
people<br>
> who don't know anything whatsoever about linux. =A0On the other ha=
nd, I agree<br>
> with Danny as well that we shouldn't be locking ourselves into one=
distro,<br>
> else we face the same kind of problem that proprietary systems face (S=
ure,<br>
> we can change it as much as we want, but then it's no longer reall=
y Ubuntu,<br>
> now is it?).<br>
><br>
> --Wesley<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, J.M. "Peng" Hardin <<br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:peng.thinkblue at gmail.com">peng.thinkblue at gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Great questions and comment, all. I haven't been anywhere near=
as active<br>
>> in the LoCo as I'd like, but would it be possible to set up a =
secondary but<br>
>> parallel group to promote GNU/Linux in general, without being<br>
>> distro-specific? I'm sure it's a lot more work than I real=
ize, but it might<br>
>> give us the best of both worlds. I'm not sure how realistic th=
e idea is, but<br>
>> I wanted to throw it out in case it's not as idiotic an idea a=
s I think it<br>
>> may be.<br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> *J.M. "Peng" Hardin<br>
>> *My Blog: I'm Just an Avatar<br>
>> <<a href=3D"http://nancib.wordpress.com/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://nancib.wordpress.com/</a>>Follow me on Twitter @BostonPeng<<a hre=
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:37:28 -0400<br>
From: Bill Simonds <<a href=3D"mailto:wtsimonds at gmail.com">wtsimonds at gma=
il.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Is Ubuntu-centricity holding us back?<br>
To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team<br>
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I think we need a group devoted to Ubuntu Satanic Edition.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/" target=3D"_blank">http://ubuntus=
atanic.org/news/</a><br>
<br>
I believe that devil worshipers are under represented in society, and<br>
we need recognition. Perhaps we could have a sub-group devoted to the<br>
Dark Master...<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Danny Piccirillo<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:danny.piccirillo at ubuntu.com">danny.piccirillo at ubuntu.=
com</a>> wrote:<br>
> For a while now, i've been thinking about the possibility of endin=
g our<br>
> Ubuntu-centricity. The community is Ubuntu's greatest strength, ye=
t the<br>
> community isn't being listened to. More importantly though, i thin=
k it is a<br>
> huge disservice to the greater Free Software (aka Open Source) ecosyst=
em to<br>
> have one of the strongest global network of advocates to be banded aro=
und<br>
> one distribution. I'd like to propose that we become a general Fre=
e Software<br>
> team, and recommend that the rest of the LoCo's do the same.<br>
> I can't even think of any pros to being an Ubuntu-only team. Havin=
g one OS<br>
> to promote may make certain advocacy easier, but there's no reason=
why a<br>
> general team couldn't make the decision to primarily support Ubunt=
u in most<br>
> cases. As an official LoCo, we get freebies from Canonical, but i don&=
#39;t<br>
> think this is a very big deal. We can make our own CDs and i'm sur=
e if we<br>
> were doing worthy projects, Canonical would still be willing to provid=
e us<br>
> with CDs, as it would be in their interest.<br>
> Now, a few of the cons:<br>
><br>
> Lack of community input for major decisions and arrogance among those =
in<br>
> charge<br>
> Lack of support for educational events,?and it's not hard to see w=
hy since<br>
> Canonical may endanger their own educational services?revenue if they =
helped<br>
> out more.<br>
> Alienate the many many non-Ubuntu members of the Free Software communi=
ty<br>
> Being exclusive to Ubuntu makes it hard to reach out to a wider audien=
ce of<br>
> people with varying levels of interest from beginners to hardcore comp=
uter<br>
> people<br>
> We're doing a disservice to the rest of the community by only ackn=
owledging<br>
> one free desktop OS<br>
><br>
> I think what we are united around, more so than an OS which, to be fra=
nk, i<br>
> don't feel any loyalty towards, is ideals. Yes, i'm sure at le=
ast one person<br>
> is thinking that they just care about what tools work, but let's n=
ot forget<br>
> to thank the ideals that made these better tools possible. I think mos=
t of<br>
> us imagine a world where these ideals are universal, and see an incred=
ible<br>
> amount of potential in that.<br>
> If this idea is well-received, we could either just do our own thing o=
r use<br>
> LibrePlanet which is a network that already exists and would be easy t=
o move<br>
> to. I understand some people have some badly tainted perceptions of th=
e FSF,<br>
> but i would have no problem being a part of their extended network. Ei=
ther<br>
> way, the more i think about it, the more i do think it is appropriate =
for<br>
> LoCo's to abandon their exclusive-to-Ubuntu nature.<br>
> I'm sure you can think of other good reasons as well. We would be =
giving up<br>
> our Ubuntu exclusivity, but not abandoning Ubuntu. It seems this could=
make<br>
> our job easier, benefit the greater FLOSS community, and still have no=
<br>
> significant disadvantage for Ubuntu.<br>
> Thoughts?<br>
> --<br>
> .danny<br>
><br>
> ??? - <a href=3D"http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo</a><br>
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><br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:07:26 -0400<br>
From: Bill Ricker <<a href=3D"mailto:bill.n1vux at gmail.com">bill.n1vux at gm=
ail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Is Ubuntu-centricity holding us back?<br>
To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team<br>
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-us-ma at lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br>
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Are you suggesting Ubuntu holds back the SETC team mission and SETC holds<b=
r>
back the mission to spread Ubuntu to the masses?<br>
<br>
Or that you want to promote all FLOSS not just one brand?<br>
<br>
Whenever I was at an installfest, I had by collection of old install disks<=
br>
and recent magazine disks -- if someone had asked for Open Office for<br>
Windows or Fedora, I'd have helped install it. It might not be on the m=
enu,<br>
but a good kitchen can serve whatever is ordered. =A0I can support Ubuntu b=
est<br>
by not telling someone to run it when it would be the wrong choice for them=
.<br>
<br>
We already have in Greater Boston a no-limits Linux User Group, BLU.org,<br=
>
Boston Linux Unix, that does any-distro installfests, and which is open to<=
br>
even commercial Unix -- which explains why it is the only LUG older than<br=
>
Linux. BLU will have a booth at LinuxCon this summer here in Boston. =A0It<=
br>
could really use some younger members, so Danny and anyone else wishing to<=
br>
be active outside of Ubuntu be welcome to join us there. Last week, we hear=
d<br>
about using a commercial product, Dragon Naturally Speaking, under WINE.<br=
>
Upcoming:<br>
<br>
=A0 1. Wed, May 19, 2010 :: Open Source and Astaro's<br>
Business<<a href=3D"http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-may" target=3D"=
_blank">http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-may</a>><br>
=A0 2. Sat, May 22, 2010 :: Linux InstallFest<br>
XXXVII<<a href=3D"http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-ifest37" target=
=3D"_blank">http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-ifest37</a>><br>
=A0 3. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 :: Secure Data Deletion Under<br>
linux<<a href=3D"http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-jun" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-jun</a>><br>
=A0 4. Wed, Sep 15, 2010 :: PGP/GnuPG Keysigning Party XI, plus a talk by =
V.<br>
=A0 Alex Brennan. <<a href=3D"http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-sep"=
target=3D"_blank">http://blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2010-sep</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
Boston is also galactic headquarters for EFF & Gnu. =A0They support all=
FLOSS<br>
that is free enough by their standards. Good folks, different mission.<br>
<br>
Having a connection however disfunctional to Canonical and the rest of<br>
Ubu-core is what makes *this* Local-Community team unique among LUGs. We ca=
n<br>
escalate questions through channels. If someone wants help with *buntu, the=
y<br>
should want tqgo through this team. This team should not walk away from<br>
that.<br>
=A0 However, we might not want to be quite so Gnome/U-buntu centric.<br>
Especially while the buttons are bollixed and Mono is being pushed, we<br>
should consider pushing LUbuntu (Lxde) as the alternative for those that<br=
>
shouldn't be on Kubuntu (KDE), especially since Xubuntu (XFCE) is no lo=
nger<br>
usable on obsolete hardware.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Bill<br>
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