[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Andrew Nixon
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Tue Dec 2 08:06:36 GMT 2008
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>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>>> rocks)
>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty
>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these
>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications
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>>>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> <383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between
>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole
>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these
>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at
>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually
>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my
>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you
>>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom
>>>>>>>> back,
>>>>>>>> 4W
>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free,
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <342bbd654d1b1dbf225faa82bc732008 at localhost>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still
>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago,
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known
>>>>>>>> british
>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL
>>>>>>>> (Windows
>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware
>>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA
>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these
>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development
>>>>>>>> program)
>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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