[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Andrew Nixon
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Tue Dec 2 08:06:28 GMT 2008
On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money
>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks)
>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good
>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked
>>>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system
>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big
>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>> <383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between
>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these
>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system
>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at
>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used
>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my
>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back,
>>>>>>> 4W
>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free,
>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <342bbd654d1b1dbf225faa82bc732008 at localhost>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known
>>>>>>> british
>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL
>>>>>>> (Windows
>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware
>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA
>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these
>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development
>>>>>>> program)
>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every
>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux
>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some
>>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
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