robinmenneer at gmail.com
Sun Feb 11 16:40:09 GMT 2007
On 2/9/07, Caroline Ford <caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com> wrote:
> London School of Puppetry wrote:
> > On 06/02/07, Caroline Ford <caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com
> > <mailto:caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com>> wrote:
> > If you are running with kde libraries installed I'd recommend krita the
> > kde bitmap editor as well.
I'm not running with kde libraries because I'm in ubuntu. I've had a look
at krita and karbon, both recommended in these pages, but they infer that
I should be using koffice. As I am using and happy with openoffice,
entangling with koffice seems a large penalty for finding a sensible
substitute for gimp. I'm scared off sodipodi because it is described as
unstable. Am also worried by the warning *Installing these programs is
highly platform specific*.
Thank you very much for explaining the two uses of the word ubuntu - much is
now clearer for the first time - I do wish the experts realised the problems
us thickies have. We often don't get very far even when we try hard.
> I really think the gimp is being oversold by the community in general.
> > It is very badly designed and doesn't do 32 bit colour. The lack of 32
> > bit colour led to the development of cinepaint, and the design problems
> > are notorious. I read an online lecture on usability and all the
> > examples of bad practice came from the gimp..
> > The gimp is nothing like photoshop - sorry. I think we should aim high
> > but photoshop is far superior. I've never used paintshop pro but it's
> > not industry standard - it's for home users. The industry standard is
> > photoshop. The gimp *can* do some things if you know how - but often
> > as well. The filters in particular are really gimmicky - it feels like
> > it was designed for computer scientists not artists. </rant>
> > One thing we really need is an equivalent of poser - i can't think of a
> > program I'd recommend for people wanting to do animations for something
> > such as second life. Poser makes those sort of things relatively easy.
> > Krita is using gimp format brushes which I think is a really positive
> > step towards making a free software standard. Photoshop compatibility
> > pretty much the closed source standard. I currently make free content
> > for tuxpaint and I'm pondering making content for the gimp now that
> > better programs are using its standards too.
> > Apparently filters for the gimp don't work across versions (unlike
> > photoshop which has an api i think as other programs can use photoshop
> > filters.) This may explain how poor most gimp filters are - based on
> > maths not art, or so it seems. KDE are making a cross application
> > standard for plugins which feels really positive. The kde graphics
> > people seem to have really picked up all the problems with the gimp.
> > Some people seem to treat the gimp as an iconic free software program -
> > i think many of these people have never used anything better. I *know*
> > we can do better than that - it's a real bugbear of mine!
> > Caroline (secretlondon)
> > I have been told that my computer is too slow to use gimp effectively.
> > What kind of power should I be looking at to run some of the
> > programmes you have been discussing here?
> > Caroline lsp
> What speed is your computer? If your computer is too slow to run the
> gimp then maybe you'd be better off running Xubuntu rather than
> Ubuntu. (Xubuntu uses Xfce rather than gnome and is designed for older
> hardware). However I think Xubuntu includes the gimp..
> If you are short of RAM (not Mhz) you should probably avoid running
> Krita or Digikam under Ubuntu.
> Bah - it's confusing! The whole thing collectively is generally known as
> Ubuntu - *and* the main variant is also called Ubuntu! Ubuntu's sisters
> are called Kubuntu (with kde rather than gnome), xubuntu (with xfce
> rather than gnome), and edubuntu (designed specifically for education)
> Edubuntu (which is a type of ubuntu - the confusion!) uses gnome and has
> some kde libraries installed as it includes the kde edutainment package.
> To make things easier! How fast and how much RAM does your computer
> have? Are you running edubuntu or ubuntu itself?
> Caroline (secretlondon)
> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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