<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/9/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Caroline Ford</b> <<a href="mailto:caroline.ford.work@googlemail.com">caroline.ford.work@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
London School of Puppetry wrote:<br>><br>><br>> On 06/02/07, Caroline Ford <<a href="mailto:caroline.ford.work@googlemail.com">caroline.ford.work@googlemail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:caroline.ford.work@googlemail.com">
caroline.ford.work@googlemail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> If you are running with kde libraries installed I'd recommend krita the<br>> kde bitmap editor as well.<br>></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);">
I'm not running with kde libraries because I'm in ubuntu. I've had a look at krita and karbon, both recommended in these pages, but they infer that I should be using koffice. As I am using and happy with openoffice, entangling with koffice seems a large penalty for finding a sensible substitute for gimp. I'm scared off sodipodi because it is described as unstable. Am also worried by the warning *Installing these programs is highly platform specific*.
</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);">Thank you very much for explaining the two uses of the word ubuntu - much is now clearer for the first time - I do wish the experts realised the problems us thickies have. We often don't get very far even when we try hard.
</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);"></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> I really think the gimp is being oversold by the community in general.
<br>> It is very badly designed and doesn't do 32 bit colour. The lack of 32<br>> bit colour led to the development of cinepaint, and the design problems<br>> are notorious. I read an online lecture on usability and all the
<br>> examples of bad practice came from the gimp..<br>><br>> The gimp is nothing like photoshop - sorry. I think we should aim high<br>> but photoshop is far superior. I've never used paintshop pro but it's
<br>> not industry standard - it's for home users. The industry standard is<br>> photoshop. The gimp *can* do some things if you know how - but often not<br>> as well. The filters in particular are really gimmicky - it feels like
<br>> it was designed for computer scientists not artists. </rant><br>><br>> One thing we really need is an equivalent of poser - i can't think of a<br>> program I'd recommend for people wanting to do animations for something
<br>> such as second life. Poser makes those sort of things relatively easy.<br>><br>> Krita is using gimp format brushes which I think is a really positive<br>> step towards making a free software standard. Photoshop compatibility is
<br>> pretty much the closed source standard. I currently make free content<br>> for tuxpaint and I'm pondering making content for the gimp now that<br>> better programs are using its standards too.<br>>
<br>> Apparently filters for the gimp don't work across versions (unlike<br>> photoshop which has an api i think as other programs can use photoshop<br>> filters.) This may explain how poor most gimp filters are - based on
<br>> maths not art, or so it seems. KDE are making a cross application<br>> standard for plugins which feels really positive. The kde graphics<br>> people seem to have really picked up all the problems with the gimp.
<br>> Some people seem to treat the gimp as an iconic free software program -<br>> i think many of these people have never used anything better. I *know*<br>> we can do better than that - it's a real bugbear of mine!
<br>><br>> Caroline (secretlondon)<br>><br>> I have been told that my computer is too slow to use gimp effectively.<br>> What kind of power should I be looking at to run some of the<br>> programmes you have been discussing here?
<br>><br>> Caroline lsp<br>What speed is your computer? If your computer is too slow to run the<br>gimp then maybe you'd be better off running Xubuntu rather than<br>Ubuntu. (Xubuntu uses Xfce rather than gnome and is designed for older
<br>hardware). However I think Xubuntu includes the gimp..<br><br>If you are short of RAM (not Mhz) you should probably avoid running<br>Krita or Digikam under Ubuntu.<br><br>Bah - it's confusing! The whole thing collectively is generally known as
<br>Ubuntu - *and* the main variant is also called Ubuntu! Ubuntu's sisters<br>are called Kubuntu (with kde rather than gnome), xubuntu (with xfce<br>rather than gnome), and edubuntu (designed specifically for education)
<br><br>Edubuntu (which is a type of ubuntu - the confusion!) uses gnome and has<br>some kde libraries installed as it includes the kde edutainment package.<br><br>To make things easier! How fast and how much RAM does your computer
<br>have? Are you running edubuntu or ubuntu itself?<br><br>Caroline (secretlondon)<br><br>--<br><a href="mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk">
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk</a><br><a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/</a><br></blockquote></div><br>