Beta 1

Phill Whiteside PhillW at
Mon Sep 2 23:08:14 UTC 2013

If you wish to be pedantic, read through the "rules" of handing over.
Whilst everyone (even me) is entitled to a "life", mile stone releases are
of such significance that if the original OP has time constraints, there
should be, as per the CoC a seamless hand over of responsibilities.

I do not, therefore think that any apology is needed from all the *buntu
teams who have had no leadership for failed builds etc. Only now am I
sending out an email to let their testers know that the ISO's are there. To
further this, it has been suggested that the beta 1 *may* be delayed until



On 2 September 2013 23:38, Micah Gersten <micahg at> wrote:

>  On 09/02/2013 05:12 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hi,
>  I'd like to register that while my self and Laney have not seen eye tio
> eye, his attempt of building the Beta 1's for our community teams has been
> a complete and utter disaster.
> <rant>
>  The release team are trying to pick up the pieces and manually spin
> ISO's. The cut off date is Thursday, we are now on Tuesday with NO stable
> ISO. For heavens sake, out of all the community who wanted a beta 1...
> lubuntu was the only one there and told it would be re-spun.
>  This is a disgraceful way to treat testers. Yes, those people who
> actually check systems work.
>  I can be a royal PITA for shouting up what testers let me know, but not
> having  a beta 1 - with no idea when it will arrive and the final; insult
> of the person "Laney" to vanish from the discussion explains one simple
> thing... He's not up to the job of being pro-active for issues that occur.
> Instead the -release team gathered together to do what they could.
>  Laney, in charge?!!! Where was he?
>  </end rant>
>  To quote the original mail [1]:
> "Also let us know when you would like automatic image builds stopped,
> otherwise the assumption is Monday evening UK time."
> The window from Thursday to today was meant to stabilize ISOs after the
> freeze.  I see no evidence on this list that you wanted Beta ISOs any
> sooner than the rest of the flavors.
> Release candidates for Betas are usually available sometime on Tuesday of
> release week as are the alphas.  The main difference with beta is there are
> a few days to stabilize ISOs without a lot of churn in the archive.
> AFAIK, this has not changed in years.
> Laney stopped the dailies and spun up ISOs as he said he would, warned
> that he wouldn't be around later, and said that people can respin if
> needed. [2]
> Chastising someone for stepping away when it's late evening for them [2]
> (close to 8PM in this case when the interaction occured, though, really,
> it's not ok at any time).  There are polite ways to address disagreements
> and this certainly isn't one of them.
> To quote the CoC [3]:
>    - Be respectful
>    Disagreement is no excuse for poor manners. We work together to
>    resolve conflict, assume good intentions and do our best to act in an
>    empathic fashion. We don't allow frustration to turn into a personal
>    attack. A community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a
>    productive one.
> I think that a public apology is in order here.
> Thanks,
> Micah Gersten
> Ubuntu Core Dev and Ubuntu Membership Board member
> [1]
> [2] continues of and on until about 19:00
> [3]
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