[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 48
zarul shahrin
zarulshahrin at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 11:37:25 GMT 2009
I would like to suggest that you start here:
*http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
*
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Zulkifli Abdullah <zul.malc at gmail.com>wrote:
> Salam...
>
> Ada sesiapa boleh bagitau bahagian mana dalam CoC yg telah mengikat
> local community mana2 negara untuk tidak boleh mempunyai tabung
> kewangan untuk urus aktiviti komuniti?
>
> On 3/24/09, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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> > 1. Re: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 46 (Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:05:04 +0800
> > From: Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli <gunbladeiv at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 46
> > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> > I think there is no problem with a general definition of non-profit
> > organization from the wiki. How ever, we must also refer to the
> > Ubuntu Code of Conduct and we are strictly bound by this CoC in term
> > of using Ubuntu as our community name. We are under these rules and
> > we cannot simply take wiki definition without considering rules being
> > stated in CoC.
> >
> > I hope En Zul can really understand why the make CoC in the first
> > place. Saya tidak merasakan tanpa tabung atau kewangan terkumpul,
> > Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia ini tidak mampu merancang dan melaksanakan
> > projek/event.
> >
> > Dari pengalaman saya bersama komuniti, kebanyakkan dari event yang
> > telah dilaksanakan, kami akan mencari syarikat-syarikat yang ingin
> > menaja dan kadang kala ahli komuniti itu sendiri sanggup mengeluarkan
> > wang sendiri demi menanggung kos perlaksanaan projek/event.
> >
> > Bagi saya, ahli komuniti tidak perlu dipaksa untuk mengeluarkan
> > perbelanjaan sebaliknya ia terpulang kepada individu itu sendiri untuk
> > mengeluarkan perbelanjaan sekiranya mampu/perlu. Begitu juga pada
> > sponsor dari syarikat dimana syarikat itu mempunyai hak untuk sponsor
> > atau menarik balik sponsor jika terdapat kekeliruan atau ketidakpuasan
> > hati mengenai beberapa isu. Dalam erti kata lain, tidak boleh memaksa.
> >
> > Dan seperti mana yang telah dibincangkan sebelum didalam IRC pada 23
> > Mac 2009 (#ubuntu-my), individu yang ingin membuka syarikat utk
> > mengendalikan projek dengan keuntungan boleh berbuat demikian tetapi
> > TIDAK BOLEH MENGGUNAKAN NAMA KOMUNITI UBUNTU MALAYSIA itu sendiri.
> > Ini kerana komuniti ini terlindung dibawah Code of Conduct yang
> > tertera di http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct itu sendiri. Dan
> > sekiranya syarikat persendirian itu ingin membiayai projek-projek yang
> > dibuat oleh Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia, itu adalah hak syarikat
> > tersebut, begitu juga sebaliknya.
> >
> > Saya harap penerangan ini mampu menjelaskan kepada semua bagaimana
> > Komuniti ini berjalan dan dimana pendirian komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia
> > ini didalam usaha untuk menumpul dana/tabung projek.
> >
> > Zulkifli Abdullah wrote:
> >> to zarul; please bro..dont underestimate our other mmbers.. we should
> >> respect each other and the term "respect" here is clearly explained in
> >> CoC.
> >>
> >> i got this info from wikipedia and i hope im not stupid enough to copy
> >> paste rubbish in this wonderful mailing-list.
> >>
> >> "Whereas for-profit corporations exist to earn and distribute taxable
> >> business earnings to shareholders, the nonprofit corporation exists
> >> solely to provide programs and services that are of public benefit.
> >> Often these programs and services are not otherwise provided by local,
> >> state, or federal entities. While they are able to earn a profit, more
> >> accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the
> >> organization for its future provision of programs and services.
> >> Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders[1]. Underlying
> >> many effective nonprofit endeavors is a commitment to management.
> >> Twenty years ago, management was a dirty word to those involved in
> >> nonprofit organizations. It meant business, and non-profits prided
> >> themselves on being free of the taint of commercialism and above such
> >> sordid considerations as the bottom line. Now most of them have
> >> learned that nonprofits need management even more than business does,
> >> precisely because they lack the discipline of the bottom line. The
> >> nonprofits are, of course still dedicated to "doing good." But they
> >> also realize that good intentions are no substitute for organization
> >> and leadership, for accountability, performance, and results. Those
> >> require management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's
> >> mission."
> >>
> >> ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization
> >>
> >> -enjoy-
> >>
> >> On 3/24/09, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> >> <ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
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> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: Something to be considered (Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi)
> >>> 2. Re: Something to be considered (ApOgEE)
> >>> 3. Re: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42 (zarul shahrin)
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:42:58 +0800
> >>> From: Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi <me at wanfahmi.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
> >>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> <a27536c00903232342t1ab81446k935d3f0521409a36 at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> Or translate CoC dalam Bahasa Malaysia, any dispute please refer to
> > English
> >>> version. Macam kebanyakan T&C yang di alih bahasa.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:02, Harisfazillah Jamel
> >>> <linuxmalaysia at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> CoC tu mcm Legal Binding. Jadi perlu ada terjemahankan betul-betul
> >>>> ikut maksud sebenar CoC dalam English.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2009/3/24 ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>:
> >>>>> Good Idea Gunbladeiv...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1 gunbladeiv
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli
> >>>>> <gunbladeiv at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>> Do we need to translate the CoC in order for Malaysian to truly
> >>>>>> understand the CoC?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:17:07 +0800
> >>> From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
> >>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> <1e5d839e0903240017q5bbcf935yb4c438ee34a8acb4 at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>>
> >>> Pandangan saya...
> >>>
> >>> Saya memang jelas dan memahami bahawa Canonical juga membuat duit untuk
> >>> menyokong Ubuntu. Namun, Canonical adalah sebuah syarikat rasmi yang
> > menjadi
> >>> sponsor kepada Ubuntu. Telah jelas juga bahawa, Canonical memiliki
> segala
> >>> kebenaran untuk melakukan perniagaan dengan nama Ubuntu.
> >>>
> >>> Itu Canonical... harap kawan2 semua jelas bahawa Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu
> >>> dan
> >>> Canonical copdagang berdaftar yang dimiliki oleh Canonical Ltd.
> >>>
> >>> "Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of
> > Canonical
> >>> Ltd."
> >>>
> >>> kita tak sama... kita hanyalah Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia yang tidak mahu
> >>> membuat keuntungan (non-profit)... "huh, takdak ontong punya kerja
> ni...
> >>> hahaha..."
> >>>
> >>> Berbalik kepada Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia, kita tertakluk kepada Kod
> >>> Perlaksanaan (Code of Conduct) yang telah ditetapkan oleh Canonical
> yang
> >>> boleh dirujuk disini:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> >>> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1
> >>>
> >>> serta terhad kepada Polisi Copdagang (Trademark Policy) yang boleh
> >>> dirujuk
> >>> disini:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
> >>>
> >>> yang mana ada kekangan jelas pada bahagian ini:
> >>>
> >>> "*Permitted Use*
> >>>
> >>> Certain usages of the Trademarks are fine and no specific permission
> > from us
> >>> is needed.
> >>>
> >>> *Community Advocacy.* Ubuntu is built by, and largely for, its
> > community. We
> >>> share access to the Trademarks with the entire community for the
> > purposes of
> >>> discussion, development and advocacy. We recognise that most of the
> open
> >>> source discussion and development areas are for non-commercial
> > purposes and
> >>> will allow the use of the trademarks in this context, provided:
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>> the Trademark is used in a manner consistent with the Usage
> Guidelines
> >>> below
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>> *there is no commercial intent behind the use *
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>> what you are referring to is in fact Ubuntu. If someone is confused
> > into
> >>> thinking that what isn't Ubuntu is in fact Ubuntu, you are probably
> > doing
> >>> something wrong
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>> *there is no suggestion (through words or appearance) that your
> >>> project
> >>> is approved, sponsored, or affiliated with Ubuntu or its related
> > projects
> >>> unless it actually has been approved by and is accountable to the
> > Ubuntu
> >>> Community Council*
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> Oleh itu, adalah wajar untuk mengambil jalan selamat dengan tidak
> > melibatkan
> >>> Komuniti Ubuntu dengan mana-mana aktiviti yang mendatangkan duit secara
> >>> terus kepada komuniti ini kerana setiap duit yang masuk, walau secara
> > tidak
> >>> langsung, tetap akan mendatangkan keuntungan kepada pihak2 yang
> >>> melaksanakannya sebagai ahli Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. Dan secara
> > seriusnya,
> >>> pihak tersebut akan secara automatik melanggar polisi yang disebut
> >>> diatas.
> >>>
> >>> Sekira pihak tersebut didakwa oleh Canonical, dan didapati bersalah...
> >>> mereka akan:
> >>> 1. Dikenakan saman yang mungkin akan menyusahkan diri mereka.
> >>> 2. Memalukan komuniti dimana mereka bergiat. Dah tentu Ubuntu Malaysia.
> >>> 3. Memalukan diri sendiri... adeh...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jadi, sejauh pemahaman saya mengenai isu duit dan komuniti Ubuntu.
> >>> Setakat
> >>> ni, semua dah pun jelas bahawa Komuniti Ubuntu tidak akan mengurus
> > sebarang
> >>> simpanan dana mahupun sponsor untuk tujuan projek akan datang atau
> >>> sebagainya.
> >>>
> >>> Namun, saya pasti tentu ada yang tertanya-tanya... macam mana nak buat
> >>> events/projek tanpa dana/wang?
> >>>
> >>> Seperti projek/acara yang telah lalu, Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia
> >>> menggunakan
> >>> duit poket masing2 serta bantuan sponsor yang kecil dan duit tersebut
> >>> diuruskan dan dihabiskan untuk projek tersebut sahaja.
> >>>
> >>> Pada fikiran saya, kita boleh meneruskan projek/acara akan datang
> dengan
> >>> cara yang sama. Namun, seandainya ada dana yang besar dari mana-mana
> > pihak,
> >>> ia harus diuruskan oleh jawatankuasa yang melaksanakan projek/aktiviti
> >>> tersebut dengan telus.
> >>>
> >>> Berkenaan nama penerima sumbangan / akaun penerima sumbangan, tiada
> siapa
> >>> pun yang boleh menerima sumbangan bagi pihak Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia.
> > Oleh
> >>> itu, sumbangan tersebut mungkin boleh disalurkan kepada pihak
> pengurusan
> >>> yang menanggung kos perlaksanakan projek/acara tersebut. Pihak yang
> >>> menanggung kos ini juga TIDAK BOLEH MENGAKU bahawa dana tersebut
> diterima
> >>> bagi pihak atau mewakili Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. Apa yang penting,
> >>> aktiviti/projek Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia akan tetap boleh berlangsung
> > dengan
> >>> bantuan syarikat luar yang menanggung dan menguruskan kos perbelanjaan
> >>> aktiviti tersebut tanpa beliau atau Syarikat tersebut mengaku mewakili
> >>> Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia.
> >>>
> >>> Syarikat tersebut boleh terdiri dari syarikat luar atau syarikat yang
> >>> dimiliki ahli komuniti. Namun Syarikat tersebut dengan jelas BUKANLAH
> >>> mewakili komuniti.
> >>>
> >>> So, kita boleh letak la, kos perlaksanaan projek ditanggung oleh
> > ABCDEF Sdn
> >>> Bhd. ke, VWXYZ Enterprise ke, dan kita boleh bagi la terima kasih kat
> >>> syarikat tu kat dalam wiki atau laman web kot.
> >>>
> >>> Selain dari apa yang difikirkan ini, kita juga boleh mendapatkan
> khidmat
> >>> nasihat dari LoCo Council (Local Community Council) berkenaan isu ini
> > kerana
> >>> LoCo Ubuntu di negara lain juga banyak melakukan aktiviti yang besar.
> > Lalu,
> >>> persoalannya kembali... bagaimana mereka menguruskan wang/menanggung
> kos
> >>> perbelanjaan aktiviti mereka?
> >>>
> >>> Itu hanyalah pandangan saya. Harap dapat dibincangkan jika masih ada
> >>> keraguan atau kekeliruan fakta.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2009/3/24 Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi <me at wanfahmi.com>
> >>>
> >>>> Or translate CoC dalam Bahasa Malaysia, any dispute please refer to
> >>>> English
> >>>> version. Macam kebanyakan T&C yang di alih bahasa.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:02, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> >>>> linuxmalaysia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> CoC tu mcm Legal Binding. Jadi perlu ada terjemahankan betul-betul
> >>>>> ikut maksud sebenar CoC dalam English.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2009/3/24 ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>> Good Idea Gunbladeiv...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1 gunbladeiv
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli
> >>>>>> <gunbladeiv at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do we need to translate the CoC in order for Malaysian to truly
> >>>>>>> understand the CoC?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> --
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best Wishes,
> >>>
> >>> ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee<https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee>- ApOgEE on LaunchPad
> >>> http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE
> >>> http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk
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> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:27:56 +0800
> >>> From: zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42
> >>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> <b3aabcca0903240027g3ff315f7sb24e9ffa29b84d7f at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>>
> >>> I think the main problem we are having here is that some of the members
> >>> don't bother to do a little bit of research before replying to the
> >>> mailing
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to suggest that our members first read the CoC and then
> > Google
> >>> for issues related to loco team sponsorship etc. Even if you guys
> > think that
> >>> is something troublesome, atleast try to read the posts made earlier
> > by our
> >>> other members on the related topics. That will save us some time trying
> >>> to
> >>> explain the same thing all over again... Nodody is making decision for
> >>> fun
> >>> or as they wish. We have RULES to follow. That's what we are doing,
> >>> following the rules. I have been saying this gazillion of times. Ubuntu
> >>> is
> >>> not our own brand for us to do anything as we like.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Zarul
> >>>
> >>> p/s: I think will stop entertaining such question. If you guys don't
> > bother
> >>> to help yourself or take the initiative to do a little bit of research
> >>> first. There is no reason for me to spend so much time explaining the
> >>> same
> >>> thing all over again like an idiot. Sorry for being harsh, this is my
> > style
> >>> and don't get offended with it.. I am the kind of person who don't
> > like the
> >>> idea of spoon-feeding or repeating my words.....
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Zulkifli Abdullah
> >>> <zul.malc at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Salam...
> >>>>
> >>>> Kita perlu kaji secara mendalam, dan berbincang secara objektif dan
> >>>> berdiri diatas bumi nyata untuk buat setiap keputusan yang membabitkan
> >>>> komuniti. Ini bukan tanggungjawab kita terhadap kredibiliti dan
> >>>> pendapat kita saja tapi juga tanggungjawab terhadap keseluruhan
> >>>> komuniti. Pertamanya, Apa itu komuniti Ubuntu?
> >>>>
> >>>> Komuniti Ubuntu ialah setiap orang yang menggunakan ubuntu.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kerana itu, setiap keputusan kita hari ini akan memberikan efek segera
> >>>> dan jangka panjang kepada pembangunan komuniti.
> >>>>
> >>>> Persoalan sekarang, adakah komuniti wajar menjana pendapatannya
> >>>> sendiri? Ada 2 situasi yang aku rasa perlu difahami. Pertama, adakah
> >>>> culture di malaysia ni - company (samada besar atau kecil) suka
> >>>> sponsor aktiviti yang sesuatu komuniti lakukan? Ada ya dan ada tidak.
> >>>> Jika aktiviti melibatkan konsert, lagha bla-bla, Ya, ramai la company
> >>>> nak sponsor. Tapi kalau komuniti ubuntu nak buat aktiviti? Mungkin
> >>>> otai-otai kita ada jawapan sendiri. Kita perlukan kepastian. Ini ialah
> >>>> cara kita urus satu organisasi dan bukannya pertandingan sabung laga
> >>>> ayam.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kedua - Kalau komuniti ada tabung sendiri (kewangan sendiri), aku rasa
> >>>> tidak ada apa yang akan rugi. Aku rasa NPO pun ada tabung sendiri
> >>>> sedangkan mereka NPO. Aku sebenarnya xleh fikir macam mana satu
> >>>> organisasi hanya akan berfikir pasal kewangan HANYA setiap kali ingin
> >>>> lakukan aktiviti. Punyalah tak organize...Hmm tu dalam fikiran aku.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jadi apa yang perlu difikirkan;
> >>>> 1)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita kekalkan komuniti
> >>>> sebagai badan yang xde tabung kewangan lansung.
> >>>> 2)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita ubah komuniti kepada
> >>>> badan yang ada tabung kewangan dan boleh menjana pendapatan.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dalam fikiran korang mesti dah ada jawapan. Tapi aku rayu supaya bagi
> >>>> sedikit masa untuk fikirkan lagi keputusan dalam kepala korang tuh.
> >>>> Macam yang aku cakap, keputusan kita bertanggungjawab keatas semua
> >>>> ahli komuniti ubuntu malaysia.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wassalam.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/24/09, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> >>>> <ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Send Ubuntu-my mailing list submissions to
> >>>>> ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com
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> >>>>> ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>> ubuntu-my-owner at lists.ubuntu.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>>>> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-my digest..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Something to be considered (zarul shahrin)
> >>>>> 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Nicholas
> Ng)
> >>>>> 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Hasan
> Bakar)
> >>>>> 4. Re: Which antivirus do you recommend?
> >>>>> (Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise)
> >>>>> 5. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (ApOgEE)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 1
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:22 +0800
> >>>>> From: zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
> >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <b3aabcca0903231825j71d49cf5k49cbe6fdc4c5adec at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hai guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I seriously think we should have some kind of guides on what kind of
> >>>>> activities that bring in money can be considered as non-profit
> >>>>> activities
> >>>> (
> >>>>> for the sake of funding etc) and what sort of activities are not
> >>>> acceptable
> >>>>> (profit oriented)..
> >>>>> I think it's the time we clear the confusion and draw a border line
> >>>>> since
> >>>>> many people lately are interested in making money though OSS and
> seeing
> >>>>> Ubuntu-my as a jumping stone..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Zarul
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> >>>>> Message: 2
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:54 +0800
> >>>>> From: Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to
> Malaysians
> >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <de91f8ba0903231849p2910cac1u91c02763a9ea30d7 at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I seconded with Zarul.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
> >>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
> >>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
> >>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
> >>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
> >>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and
> protect
> >>>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nicholas Ng
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that
> >>>>>> provides
> >>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
> >>>> using
> >>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think
> the
> >>>> term
> >>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
> >>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
> >>>>>>> itself
> >>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
> >>>> poster
> >>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person
> >>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>> put
> >>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> $0.002
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 3
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:07:20 +0800
> >>>>> From: Hasan Bakar <bizkutrai at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to
> Malaysians
> >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <696e2c940903231907m2053e6w45c2f48cd03323e7 at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "This is why we say that free
> >>>>> software<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>is a matter of
> >>>>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman
> >>>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I seconded with Zarul.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
> >>>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
> >>>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
> >>>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members
> of
> >>>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
> >>>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and
> protect
> >>>>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nicholas Ng
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that
> >>>> provides
> >>>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
> >>>>>>> using
> >>>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think
> the
> >>>>>> term
> >>>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then
> that
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
> >>>> itself
> >>>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
> >>>>>> poster
> >>>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person
> >>>> instead
> >>>>>> put
> >>>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> $0.002
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 4
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:52 +0800
> >>>>> From: Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Which antivirus do you recommend?
> >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <7691d23e0903231914m223fe3e4k22926642c72b25f4 at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you familiar with the things in the pendrive i suspect you could
> >>>>> differentiate the kind of virus that might be executable. There's is
> >>>> clamav,
> >>>>> avg, VirusHammer for linux that you can try :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In linux is the best way you can save your pendrive that has been
> >>>> infected
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, michaelpo at gmail.com
> >>>>> <michaelpo at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Antivirus for Linux is necessary to help Windows.
> >>>>>> Let's say a pendrive is infected with virus, plug into linux, it
> will
> >>>>>> not affect linux.
> >>>>>> Linux can help clean the virus.
> >>>>>> Then when the pendrive is plug into windows, no more virus to
> destroy
> >>>>>> windows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2008 12:16 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> There are various antivirus available but the most popular one is
> >>>>>>> ClamAV, which is also an open source project.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As many Linux users will ask, why do you need an antivirus for in
> >>>>>>> Unix/Linux environment? So far there is no "actual" virus attacking
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> Linux environment and you will be safe from viruses if you are
> using
> >>>>>>> Linux.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nicholas Ng
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2008 9:06 PM, rick <cwyong1 at streamyx.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi.
> >>>>>>>> I am new to ubuntu and i would like to know which antivirus would
> >>>> you
> >>>>>>>> recommend.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>> Message: 5
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:57 +0800
> >>>>> From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to
> Malaysians
> >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <1e5d839e0903231914g2c287c89j5d8960b0e0ffe06e at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings Community,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For your information,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Last night, we have already discussed regarding this "making money
> for
> >>>>> ubuntu-my" on our loco IRC channel #ubuntu-my on irc.freenode.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And here is the conclusion as what I understand (please correct me if
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>> wrong):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Nobody will make money by representing Ubuntu Community and Ubuntu
> >>>>> Community won't keep any money for any donations. we don't have any
> >>>> Treasury
> >>>>> Dept or Accountant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - If in case, Ubuntu Community need some money to work on any
> community
> >>>>> events/project, the money should be coming from any sponsors
> including
> >>>>> ourselves and the money will be spent over that event/project alone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - All members have freedom to make money using open source, or
> >>>>> providing
> >>>>> open source service BUT you CANNOT use Ubuntu Community name OR
> >>>> representing
> >>>>> Ubuntu Community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - You can use your good name and experience in Ubuntu Community to
> >>>>> strenghten your Profile or Portfolio.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can read the Meeting Log for details at:
> >>>>> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009
> >>>>> Or read the minutes at:
> >>>>> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope we are all cleared. Thank you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2009/3/24 Hasan Bakar <bizkutrai at gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "This is why we say that free
> >>>>>> software<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>is a matter of
> >>>>>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman
> >>>>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I seconded with Zarul.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
> >>>>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
> >>>>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
> >>>>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members
> of
> >>>>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
> >>>>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and
> >>>>>>> protect
> >>>>>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nicholas Ng
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that
> >>>> provides
> >>>>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against
> is
> >>>>>>> using
> >>>>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <
> fryshadow at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> term
> >>>>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then
> that
> >>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
> >>>>>>>>> itself
> >>>>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt,
> cd,
> >>>>>>> poster
> >>>>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person
> >>>> instead
> >>>>>>> put
> >>>>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> $0.002
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN
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