I think the main problem we are having here is that some of the members don't bother to do a little bit of research before replying to the mailing list. I would like to suggest that our members first read the CoC and then Google for issues related to loco team sponsorship etc. Even if you guys think that is something troublesome, atleast try to read the posts made earlier by our other members on the related topics. That will save us some time trying to explain the same thing all over again... Nodody is making decision for fun or as they wish. We have RULES to follow. That's what we are doing, following the rules. I have been saying this gazillion of times. Ubuntu is not our own brand for us to do anything as we like. Zarul p/s: I think will stop entertaining such question. If you guys don't bother to help yourself or take the initiative to do a little bit of research first. There is no reason for me to spend so much time explaining the same thing all over again like an idiot. Sorry for being harsh, this is my style and don't get offended with it.. I am the kind of person who don't like the idea of spoon-feeding or repeating my words..... <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Zulkifli Abdullah <<a href="mailto:zul.malc@gmail.com">zul.malc@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Salam... Kita perlu kaji secara mendalam, dan berbincang secara objektif dan berdiri diatas bumi nyata untuk buat setiap keputusan yang membabitkan komuniti. Ini bukan tanggungjawab kita terhadap kredibiliti dan pendapat kita saja tapi juga tanggungjawab terhadap keseluruhan komuniti. Pertamanya, Apa itu komuniti Ubuntu? Komuniti Ubuntu ialah setiap orang yang menggunakan ubuntu. Kerana itu, setiap keputusan kita hari ini akan memberikan efek segera dan jangka panjang kepada pembangunan komuniti. Persoalan sekarang, adakah komuniti wajar menjana pendapatannya sendiri? Ada 2 situasi yang aku rasa perlu difahami. Pertama, adakah culture di malaysia ni - company (samada besar atau kecil) suka sponsor aktiviti yang sesuatu komuniti lakukan? Ada ya dan ada tidak. Jika aktiviti melibatkan konsert, lagha bla-bla, Ya, ramai la company nak sponsor. Tapi kalau komuniti ubuntu nak buat aktiviti? Mungkin otai-otai kita ada jawapan sendiri. Kita perlukan kepastian. Ini ialah cara kita urus satu organisasi dan bukannya pertandingan sabung laga ayam. Kedua - Kalau komuniti ada tabung sendiri (kewangan sendiri), aku rasa tidak ada apa yang akan rugi. Aku rasa NPO pun ada tabung sendiri sedangkan mereka NPO. Aku sebenarnya xleh fikir macam mana satu organisasi hanya akan berfikir pasal kewangan HANYA setiap kali ingin lakukan aktiviti. Punyalah tak organize...Hmm tu dalam fikiran aku. Jadi apa yang perlu difikirkan; 1)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita kekalkan komuniti sebagai badan yang xde tabung kewangan lansung. 2)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita ubah komuniti kepada badan yang ada tabung kewangan dan boleh menjana pendapatan. Dalam fikiran korang mesti dah ada jawapan. Tapi aku rayu supaya bagi sedikit masa untuk fikirkan lagi keputusan dalam kepala korang tuh. Macam yang aku cakap, keputusan kita bertanggungjawab keatas semua ahli komuniti ubuntu malaysia. Wassalam. On 3/24/09, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: > Send Ubuntu-my mailing list submissions to > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-my digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Something to be considered (zarul shahrin) > 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Nicholas Ng) > 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Hasan Bakar) > 4. Re: Which antivirus do you recommend? > (Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise) > 5. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (ApOgEE) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:22 +0800 > From: zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>> > Subject: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > Message-ID: > <<a href="mailto:b3aabcca0903231825j71d49cf5k49cbe6fdc4c5adec@mail.gmail.com">b3aabcca0903231825j71d49cf5k49cbe6fdc4c5adec@mail.gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hai guys, > > I seriously think we should have some kind of guides on what kind of > activities that bring in money can be considered as non-profit activities ( > for the sake of funding etc) and what sort of activities are not acceptable > (profit oriented).. > I think it's the time we clear the confusion and draw a border line since > many people lately are interested in making money though OSS and seeing > Ubuntu-my as a jumping stone.. > > > Zarul > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/993ca11c/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/993ca11c/attachment-0001.htm</a> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:54 +0800 > From: Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > Message-ID: > <<a href="mailto:de91f8ba0903231849p2910cac1u91c02763a9ea30d7@mail.gmail.com">de91f8ba0903231849p2910cac1u91c02763a9ea30d7@mail.gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > All, > > I seconded with Zarul. > > It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get > profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that > related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a > COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts. > > As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of > ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of > Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect > the community from being turned into business entity. > > [1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> > > > Cheers, > > Nicholas Ng > > > 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>>: >> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later.. >> >> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides >> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is using >> the community as a personal "vehicle". >> >> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >>> >>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the term >>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that >>> should >>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical itself >>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, poster >>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu). >>> >>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead >>> put >>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :) >>> >>> $0.002 >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:07:20 +0800 > From: Hasan Bakar <<a href="mailto:bizkutrai@gmail.com">bizkutrai@gmail.com</a>> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > Message-ID: > <<a href="mailto:696e2c940903231907m2053e6w45c2f48cd03323e7@mail.gmail.com">696e2c940903231907m2053e6w45c2f48cd03323e7@mail.gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > "This is why we say that free > software<<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html</a>>is a matter of > freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman > <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html</a> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I seconded with Zarul. >> >> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get >> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that >> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a >> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts. >> >> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of >> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of >> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect >> the community from being turned into business entity. >> >> [1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nicholas Ng >> >> >> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>>: >> > Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later.. >> > >> > I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides >> > services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is >> > using >> > the community as a personal "vehicle". >> > >> > 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >> >> >> >> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the >> term >> >> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that >> should >> >> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical itself >> >> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, >> poster >> >> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu). >> >> >> >> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead >> put >> >> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :) >> >> >> >> $0.002 >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-my mailing list >> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/ce75b7e1/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/ce75b7e1/attachment-0001.htm</a> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:52 +0800 > From: Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Which antivirus do you recommend? > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > Message-ID: > <<a href="mailto:7691d23e0903231914m223fe3e4k22926642c72b25f4@mail.gmail.com">7691d23e0903231914m223fe3e4k22926642c72b25f4@mail.gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If you familiar with the things in the pendrive i suspect you could > differentiate the kind of virus that might be executable. There's is clamav, > avg, VirusHammer for linux that you can try :) > > In linux is the best way you can save your pendrive that has been infected > > > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, <a href="mailto:michaelpo@gmail.com">michaelpo@gmail.com</a> > <<a href="mailto:michaelpo@gmail.com">michaelpo@gmail.com</a>>wrote: > >> Antivirus for Linux is necessary to help Windows. >> Let's say a pendrive is infected with virus, plug into linux, it will >> not affect linux. >> Linux can help clean the virus. >> Then when the pendrive is plug into windows, no more virus to destroy >> windows. >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 4, 2008 12:16 AM, Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> > There are various antivirus available but the most popular one is >> > ClamAV, which is also an open source project. >> > >> > As many Linux users will ask, why do you need an antivirus for in >> > Unix/Linux environment? So far there is no "actual" virus attacking in >> > Linux environment and you will be safe from viruses if you are using >> > Linux. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Nicholas Ng >> > >> > On Jan 3, 2008 9:06 PM, rick <<a href="mailto:cwyong1@streamyx.com">cwyong1@streamyx.com</a>> wrote: >> > > Hi. >> > > I am new to ubuntu and i would like to know which antivirus would you >> > > recommend. >> > > >> > > Thank you >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Ubuntu-my mailing list >> > > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-my mailing list >> > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >> > >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-my mailing list >> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >> > > > > -- > OSS'ers > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/55dfe2c3/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/55dfe2c3/attachment.htm</a> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:57 +0800 > From: ApOgEE <<a href="mailto:jerungkun@gmail.com">jerungkun@gmail.com</a>> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > Message-ID: > <<a href="mailto:1e5d839e0903231914g2c287c89j5d8960b0e0ffe06e@mail.gmail.com">1e5d839e0903231914g2c287c89j5d8960b0e0ffe06e@mail.gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Greetings Community, > > For your information, > > Last night, we have already discussed regarding this "making money for > ubuntu-my" on our loco IRC channel #ubuntu-my on <a href="http://irc.freenode.net" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a> > > And here is the conclusion as what I understand (please correct me if I'm > wrong): > > - Nobody will make money by representing Ubuntu Community and Ubuntu > Community won't keep any money for any donations. we don't have any Treasury > Dept or Accountant. > > - If in case, Ubuntu Community need some money to work on any community > events/project, the money should be coming from any sponsors including > ourselves and the money will be spent over that event/project alone. > > - All members have freedom to make money using open source, or providing > open source service BUT you CANNOT use Ubuntu Community name OR representing > Ubuntu Community. > > - You can use your good name and experience in Ubuntu Community to > strenghten your Profile or Portfolio. > > > You can read the Meeting Log for details at: > <a href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009" target="_blank">http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009</a> > Or read the minutes at: > <a href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa" target="_blank">http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa</a> > > > I hope we are all cleared. Thank you. > > > > > > 2009/3/24 Hasan Bakar <<a href="mailto:bizkutrai@gmail.com">bizkutrai@gmail.com</a>> > >> "This is why we say that free >> software<<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html</a>>is a matter of >> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman >> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html</a> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> I seconded with Zarul. >>> >>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get >>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that >>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a >>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts. >>> >>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of >>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of >>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect >>> the community from being turned into business entity. >>> >>> [1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Nicholas Ng >>> >>> >>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>>: >>> > Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later.. >>> > >>> > I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides >>> > services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is >>> using >>> > the community as a personal "vehicle". >>> > >>> > 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >>> >> >>> >> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the >>> term >>> >> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that >>> should >>> >> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical >>> >> itself >>> >> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, >>> poster >>> >> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu). >>> >> >>> >> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead >>> put >>> >> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :) >>> >> >>> >> $0.002 >>> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-my mailing list >> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >> >> > > > -- > Best Wishes, > > ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN > ---------------------------------------------------- > <a href="https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee" target="_blank">https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee</a> - ApOgEE on LaunchPad > <a href="http://artofapogee.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://artofapogee.blogspot.com</a> - Art Of ApOgEE > <a href="http://coderstalk.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://coderstalk.blogspot.com</a> - Coder's Talk > ---------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/a4cca5e4/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/a4cca5e4/attachment.htm</a> > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Ubuntu-my mailing list > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> > > > End of Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42 > ***************************************** > -- Ubuntu-my mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> </blockquote></div>