I would like to suggest that you start here: <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy">http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy</a> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Zulkifli Abdullah <<a href="mailto:zul.malc@gmail.com">zul.malc@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Salam... Ada sesiapa boleh bagitau bahagian mana dalam CoC yg telah mengikat local community mana2 negara untuk tidak boleh mempunyai tabung kewangan untuk urus aktiviti komuniti? On 3/24/09, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: > Send Ubuntu-my mailing list submissions to > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-my digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 46 (Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:05:04 +0800 > From: Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli <<a href="mailto:gunbladeiv@gmail.com">gunbladeiv@gmail.com</a>> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 46 > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:49C8A240.20401@gmail.com">49C8A240.20401@gmail.com</a>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think there is no problem with a general definition of non-profit > organization from the wiki. How ever, we must also refer to the > Ubuntu Code of Conduct and we are strictly bound by this CoC in term > of using Ubuntu as our community name. We are under these rules and > we cannot simply take wiki definition without considering rules being > stated in CoC. > > I hope En Zul can really understand why the make CoC in the first > place. Saya tidak merasakan tanpa tabung atau kewangan terkumpul, > Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia ini tidak mampu merancang dan melaksanakan > projek/event. > > Dari pengalaman saya bersama komuniti, kebanyakkan dari event yang > telah dilaksanakan, kami akan mencari syarikat-syarikat yang ingin > menaja dan kadang kala ahli komuniti itu sendiri sanggup mengeluarkan > wang sendiri demi menanggung kos perlaksanaan projek/event. > > Bagi saya, ahli komuniti tidak perlu dipaksa untuk mengeluarkan > perbelanjaan sebaliknya ia terpulang kepada individu itu sendiri untuk > mengeluarkan perbelanjaan sekiranya mampu/perlu. Begitu juga pada > sponsor dari syarikat dimana syarikat itu mempunyai hak untuk sponsor > atau menarik balik sponsor jika terdapat kekeliruan atau ketidakpuasan > hati mengenai beberapa isu. Dalam erti kata lain, tidak boleh memaksa. > > Dan seperti mana yang telah dibincangkan sebelum didalam IRC pada 23 > Mac 2009 (#ubuntu-my), individu yang ingin membuka syarikat utk > mengendalikan projek dengan keuntungan boleh berbuat demikian tetapi > TIDAK BOLEH MENGGUNAKAN NAMA KOMUNITI UBUNTU MALAYSIA itu sendiri. > Ini kerana komuniti ini terlindung dibawah Code of Conduct yang > tertera di <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> itu sendiri. Dan > sekiranya syarikat persendirian itu ingin membiayai projek-projek yang > dibuat oleh Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia, itu adalah hak syarikat > tersebut, begitu juga sebaliknya. > > Saya harap penerangan ini mampu menjelaskan kepada semua bagaimana > Komuniti ini berjalan dan dimana pendirian komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia > ini didalam usaha untuk menumpul dana/tabung projek. > > Zulkifli Abdullah wrote: >> to zarul; please bro..dont underestimate our other mmbers.. we should >> respect each other and the term "respect" here is clearly explained in >> CoC. >> >> i got this info from wikipedia and i hope im not stupid enough to copy >> paste rubbish in this wonderful mailing-list. >> >> "Whereas for-profit corporations exist to earn and distribute taxable >> business earnings to shareholders, the nonprofit corporation exists >> solely to provide programs and services that are of public benefit. >> Often these programs and services are not otherwise provided by local, >> state, or federal entities. While they are able to earn a profit, more >> accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the >> organization for its future provision of programs and services. >> Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders[1]. Underlying >> many effective nonprofit endeavors is a commitment to management. >> Twenty years ago, management was a dirty word to those involved in >> nonprofit organizations. It meant business, and non-profits prided >> themselves on being free of the taint of commercialism and above such >> sordid considerations as the bottom line. Now most of them have >> learned that nonprofits need management even more than business does, >> precisely because they lack the discipline of the bottom line. The >> nonprofits are, of course still dedicated to "doing good." But they >> also realize that good intentions are no substitute for organization >> and leadership, for accountability, performance, and results. Those >> require management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's >> mission." >> >> ref : <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization</a> >> >> -enjoy- >> >> On 3/24/09, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: >>> Send Ubuntu-my mailing list submissions to >>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-my digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Something to be considered (Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi) >>> 2. Re: Something to be considered (ApOgEE) >>> 3. Re: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42 (zarul shahrin) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:42:58 +0800 >>> From: Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi <<a href="mailto:me@wanfahmi.com">me@wanfahmi.com</a>> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered >>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>> Message-ID: >>> <<a href="mailto:a27536c00903232342t1ab81446k935d3f0521409a36@mail.gmail.com">a27536c00903232342t1ab81446k935d3f0521409a36@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Or translate CoC dalam Bahasa Malaysia, any dispute please refer to > English >>> version. Macam kebanyakan T&C yang di alih bahasa. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:02, Harisfazillah Jamel >>> <<a href="mailto:linuxmalaysia@gmail.com">linuxmalaysia@gmail.com</a>>wrote: >>> >>>> CoC tu mcm Legal Binding. Jadi perlu ada terjemahankan betul-betul >>>> ikut maksud sebenar CoC dalam English. >>>> >>>> 2009/3/24 ApOgEE <<a href="mailto:jerungkun@gmail.com">jerungkun@gmail.com</a>>: >>>>> Good Idea Gunbladeiv... >>>>> >>>>> +1 gunbladeiv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli >>>>> <<a href="mailto:gunbladeiv@gmail.com">gunbladeiv@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Do we need to translate the CoC in order for Malaysian to truly >>>>>> understand the CoC? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/f4352285/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/f4352285/attachment-0001.htm</a> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:17:07 +0800 >>> From: ApOgEE <<a href="mailto:jerungkun@gmail.com">jerungkun@gmail.com</a>> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered >>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>> Message-ID: >>> <<a href="mailto:1e5d839e0903240017q5bbcf935yb4c438ee34a8acb4@mail.gmail.com">1e5d839e0903240017q5bbcf935yb4c438ee34a8acb4@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Pandangan saya... >>> >>> Saya memang jelas dan memahami bahawa Canonical juga membuat duit untuk >>> menyokong Ubuntu. Namun, Canonical adalah sebuah syarikat rasmi yang > menjadi >>> sponsor kepada Ubuntu. Telah jelas juga bahawa, Canonical memiliki segala >>> kebenaran untuk melakukan perniagaan dengan nama Ubuntu. >>> >>> Itu Canonical... harap kawan2 semua jelas bahawa Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu >>> dan >>> Canonical copdagang berdaftar yang dimiliki oleh Canonical Ltd. >>> >>> "Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of > Canonical >>> Ltd." >>> >>> kita tak sama... kita hanyalah Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia yang tidak mahu >>> membuat keuntungan (non-profit)... "huh, takdak ontong punya kerja ni... >>> hahaha..." >>> >>> Berbalik kepada Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia, kita tertakluk kepada Kod >>> Perlaksanaan (Code of Conduct) yang telah ditetapkan oleh Canonical yang >>> boleh dirujuk disini: >>> >>> <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> >>> <a href="https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1</a> >>> >>> serta terhad kepada Polisi Copdagang (Trademark Policy) yang boleh >>> dirujuk >>> disini: >>> >>> <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy</a> >>> >>> yang mana ada kekangan jelas pada bahagian ini: >>> >>> "*Permitted Use* >>> >>> Certain usages of the Trademarks are fine and no specific permission > from us >>> is needed. >>> >>> *Community Advocacy.* Ubuntu is built by, and largely for, its > community. We >>> share access to the Trademarks with the entire community for the > purposes of >>> discussion, development and advocacy. We recognise that most of the open >>> source discussion and development areas are for non-commercial > purposes and >>> will allow the use of the trademarks in this context, provided: >>> >>> - >>> >>> the Trademark is used in a manner consistent with the Usage Guidelines >>> below >>> - >>> >>> *there is no commercial intent behind the use * >>> - >>> >>> what you are referring to is in fact Ubuntu. If someone is confused > into >>> thinking that what isn't Ubuntu is in fact Ubuntu, you are probably > doing >>> something wrong >>> - >>> >>> *there is no suggestion (through words or appearance) that your >>> project >>> is approved, sponsored, or affiliated with Ubuntu or its related > projects >>> unless it actually has been approved by and is accountable to the > Ubuntu >>> Community Council* >>> >>> " >>> >>> Oleh itu, adalah wajar untuk mengambil jalan selamat dengan tidak > melibatkan >>> Komuniti Ubuntu dengan mana-mana aktiviti yang mendatangkan duit secara >>> terus kepada komuniti ini kerana setiap duit yang masuk, walau secara > tidak >>> langsung, tetap akan mendatangkan keuntungan kepada pihak2 yang >>> melaksanakannya sebagai ahli Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. Dan secara > seriusnya, >>> pihak tersebut akan secara automatik melanggar polisi yang disebut >>> diatas. >>> >>> Sekira pihak tersebut didakwa oleh Canonical, dan didapati bersalah... >>> mereka akan: >>> 1. Dikenakan saman yang mungkin akan menyusahkan diri mereka. >>> 2. Memalukan komuniti dimana mereka bergiat. Dah tentu Ubuntu Malaysia. >>> 3. Memalukan diri sendiri... adeh... >>> >>> >>> Jadi, sejauh pemahaman saya mengenai isu duit dan komuniti Ubuntu. >>> Setakat >>> ni, semua dah pun jelas bahawa Komuniti Ubuntu tidak akan mengurus > sebarang >>> simpanan dana mahupun sponsor untuk tujuan projek akan datang atau >>> sebagainya. >>> >>> Namun, saya pasti tentu ada yang tertanya-tanya... macam mana nak buat >>> events/projek tanpa dana/wang? >>> >>> Seperti projek/acara yang telah lalu, Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia >>> menggunakan >>> duit poket masing2 serta bantuan sponsor yang kecil dan duit tersebut >>> diuruskan dan dihabiskan untuk projek tersebut sahaja. >>> >>> Pada fikiran saya, kita boleh meneruskan projek/acara akan datang dengan >>> cara yang sama. Namun, seandainya ada dana yang besar dari mana-mana > pihak, >>> ia harus diuruskan oleh jawatankuasa yang melaksanakan projek/aktiviti >>> tersebut dengan telus. >>> >>> Berkenaan nama penerima sumbangan / akaun penerima sumbangan, tiada siapa >>> pun yang boleh menerima sumbangan bagi pihak Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. > Oleh >>> itu, sumbangan tersebut mungkin boleh disalurkan kepada pihak pengurusan >>> yang menanggung kos perlaksanakan projek/acara tersebut. Pihak yang >>> menanggung kos ini juga TIDAK BOLEH MENGAKU bahawa dana tersebut diterima >>> bagi pihak atau mewakili Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. Apa yang penting, >>> aktiviti/projek Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia akan tetap boleh berlangsung > dengan >>> bantuan syarikat luar yang menanggung dan menguruskan kos perbelanjaan >>> aktiviti tersebut tanpa beliau atau Syarikat tersebut mengaku mewakili >>> Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. >>> >>> Syarikat tersebut boleh terdiri dari syarikat luar atau syarikat yang >>> dimiliki ahli komuniti. Namun Syarikat tersebut dengan jelas BUKANLAH >>> mewakili komuniti. >>> >>> So, kita boleh letak la, kos perlaksanaan projek ditanggung oleh > ABCDEF Sdn >>> Bhd. ke, VWXYZ Enterprise ke, dan kita boleh bagi la terima kasih kat >>> syarikat tu kat dalam wiki atau laman web kot. >>> >>> Selain dari apa yang difikirkan ini, kita juga boleh mendapatkan khidmat >>> nasihat dari LoCo Council (Local Community Council) berkenaan isu ini > kerana >>> LoCo Ubuntu di negara lain juga banyak melakukan aktiviti yang besar. > Lalu, >>> persoalannya kembali... bagaimana mereka menguruskan wang/menanggung kos >>> perbelanjaan aktiviti mereka? >>> >>> Itu hanyalah pandangan saya. Harap dapat dibincangkan jika masih ada >>> keraguan atau kekeliruan fakta. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/3/24 Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi <<a href="mailto:me@wanfahmi.com">me@wanfahmi.com</a>> >>> >>>> Or translate CoC dalam Bahasa Malaysia, any dispute please refer to >>>> English >>>> version. Macam kebanyakan T&C yang di alih bahasa. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:02, Harisfazillah Jamel < >>>> <a href="mailto:linuxmalaysia@gmail.com">linuxmalaysia@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CoC tu mcm Legal Binding. Jadi perlu ada terjemahankan betul-betul >>>>> ikut maksud sebenar CoC dalam English. >>>>> >>>>> 2009/3/24 ApOgEE <<a href="mailto:jerungkun@gmail.com">jerungkun@gmail.com</a>>: >>>>>> Good Idea Gunbladeiv... >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 gunbladeiv >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli >>>>>> <<a href="mailto:gunbladeiv@gmail.com">gunbladeiv@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do we need to translate the CoC in order for Malaysian to truly >>>>>>> understand the CoC? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> <a href="https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee" target="_blank">https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee</a> - ApOgEE on LaunchPad >>> <a href="http://artofapogee.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://artofapogee.blogspot.com</a> - Art Of ApOgEE >>> <a href="http://coderstalk.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://coderstalk.blogspot.com</a> - Coder's Talk >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/696d4f59/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/696d4f59/attachment-0001.htm</a> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:27:56 +0800 >>> From: zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42 >>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>> Message-ID: >>> <<a href="mailto:b3aabcca0903240027g3ff315f7sb24e9ffa29b84d7f@mail.gmail.com">b3aabcca0903240027g3ff315f7sb24e9ffa29b84d7f@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I think the main problem we are having here is that some of the members >>> don't bother to do a little bit of research before replying to the >>> mailing >>> list. >>> >>> I would like to suggest that our members first read the CoC and then > Google >>> for issues related to loco team sponsorship etc. Even if you guys > think that >>> is something troublesome, atleast try to read the posts made earlier > by our >>> other members on the related topics. That will save us some time trying >>> to >>> explain the same thing all over again... Nodody is making decision for >>> fun >>> or as they wish. We have RULES to follow. That's what we are doing, >>> following the rules. I have been saying this gazillion of times. Ubuntu >>> is >>> not our own brand for us to do anything as we like. >>> >>> >>> Zarul >>> >>> p/s: I think will stop entertaining such question. If you guys don't > bother >>> to help yourself or take the initiative to do a little bit of research >>> first. There is no reason for me to spend so much time explaining the >>> same >>> thing all over again like an idiot. Sorry for being harsh, this is my > style >>> and don't get offended with it.. I am the kind of person who don't > like the >>> idea of spoon-feeding or repeating my words..... >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Zulkifli Abdullah >>> <<a href="mailto:zul.malc@gmail.com">zul.malc@gmail.com</a>>wrote: >>> >>>> Salam... >>>> >>>> Kita perlu kaji secara mendalam, dan berbincang secara objektif dan >>>> berdiri diatas bumi nyata untuk buat setiap keputusan yang membabitkan >>>> komuniti. Ini bukan tanggungjawab kita terhadap kredibiliti dan >>>> pendapat kita saja tapi juga tanggungjawab terhadap keseluruhan >>>> komuniti. Pertamanya, Apa itu komuniti Ubuntu? >>>> >>>> Komuniti Ubuntu ialah setiap orang yang menggunakan ubuntu. >>>> >>>> Kerana itu, setiap keputusan kita hari ini akan memberikan efek segera >>>> dan jangka panjang kepada pembangunan komuniti. >>>> >>>> Persoalan sekarang, adakah komuniti wajar menjana pendapatannya >>>> sendiri? Ada 2 situasi yang aku rasa perlu difahami. Pertama, adakah >>>> culture di malaysia ni - company (samada besar atau kecil) suka >>>> sponsor aktiviti yang sesuatu komuniti lakukan? Ada ya dan ada tidak. >>>> Jika aktiviti melibatkan konsert, lagha bla-bla, Ya, ramai la company >>>> nak sponsor. Tapi kalau komuniti ubuntu nak buat aktiviti? Mungkin >>>> otai-otai kita ada jawapan sendiri. Kita perlukan kepastian. Ini ialah >>>> cara kita urus satu organisasi dan bukannya pertandingan sabung laga >>>> ayam. >>>> >>>> Kedua - Kalau komuniti ada tabung sendiri (kewangan sendiri), aku rasa >>>> tidak ada apa yang akan rugi. Aku rasa NPO pun ada tabung sendiri >>>> sedangkan mereka NPO. Aku sebenarnya xleh fikir macam mana satu >>>> organisasi hanya akan berfikir pasal kewangan HANYA setiap kali ingin >>>> lakukan aktiviti. Punyalah tak organize...Hmm tu dalam fikiran aku. >>>> >>>> Jadi apa yang perlu difikirkan; >>>> 1)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita kekalkan komuniti >>>> sebagai badan yang xde tabung kewangan lansung. >>>> 2)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita ubah komuniti kepada >>>> badan yang ada tabung kewangan dan boleh menjana pendapatan. >>>> >>>> Dalam fikiran korang mesti dah ada jawapan. Tapi aku rayu supaya bagi >>>> sedikit masa untuk fikirkan lagi keputusan dalam kepala korang tuh. >>>> Macam yang aku cakap, keputusan kita bertanggungjawab keatas semua >>>> ahli komuniti ubuntu malaysia. >>>> >>>> Wassalam. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/24/09, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: >>>>> Send Ubuntu-my mailing list submissions to >>>>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-my digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Something to be considered (zarul shahrin) >>>>> 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Nicholas Ng) >>>>> 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Hasan Bakar) >>>>> 4. Re: Which antivirus do you recommend? >>>>> (Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise) >>>>> 5. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (ApOgEE) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:22 +0800 >>>>> From: zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <<a href="mailto:b3aabcca0903231825j71d49cf5k49cbe6fdc4c5adec@mail.gmail.com">b3aabcca0903231825j71d49cf5k49cbe6fdc4c5adec@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> >>>>> Hai guys, >>>>> >>>>> I seriously think we should have some kind of guides on what kind of >>>>> activities that bring in money can be considered as non-profit >>>>> activities >>>> ( >>>>> for the sake of funding etc) and what sort of activities are not >>>> acceptable >>>>> (profit oriented).. >>>>> I think it's the time we clear the confusion and draw a border line >>>>> since >>>>> many people lately are interested in making money though OSS and seeing >>>>> Ubuntu-my as a jumping stone.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Zarul >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/993ca11c/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/993ca11c/attachment-0001.htm</a> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:54 +0800 >>>>> From: Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <<a href="mailto:de91f8ba0903231849p2910cac1u91c02763a9ea30d7@mail.gmail.com">de91f8ba0903231849p2910cac1u91c02763a9ea30d7@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I seconded with Zarul. >>>>> >>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get >>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that >>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a >>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts. >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of >>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of >>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect >>>>> the community from being turned into business entity. >>>>> >>>>> [1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Nicholas Ng >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>>: >>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that >>>>>> provides >>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is >>>> using >>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle". >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the >>>> term >>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical >>>>>>> itself >>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, >>>> poster >>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $0.002 >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:07:20 +0800 >>>>> From: Hasan Bakar <<a href="mailto:bizkutrai@gmail.com">bizkutrai@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <<a href="mailto:696e2c940903231907m2053e6w45c2f48cd03323e7@mail.gmail.com">696e2c940903231907m2053e6w45c2f48cd03323e7@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> >>>>> "This is why we say that free >>>>> software<<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html</a>>is a matter of >>>>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman >>>>> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html</a> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I seconded with Zarul. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get >>>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that >>>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a >>>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of >>>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of >>>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect >>>>>> the community from being turned into business entity. >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Nicholas Ng >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>>: >>>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that >>>> provides >>>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >>>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the >>>>>> term >>>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that >>>>>> should >>>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical >>>> itself >>>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, >>>>>> poster >>>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person >>>> instead >>>>>> put >>>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> $0.002 >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/ce75b7e1/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/ce75b7e1/attachment-0001.htm</a> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 4 >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:52 +0800 >>>>> From: Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Which antivirus do you recommend? >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <<a href="mailto:7691d23e0903231914m223fe3e4k22926642c72b25f4@mail.gmail.com">7691d23e0903231914m223fe3e4k22926642c72b25f4@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> >>>>> If you familiar with the things in the pendrive i suspect you could >>>>> differentiate the kind of virus that might be executable. There's is >>>> clamav, >>>>> avg, VirusHammer for linux that you can try :) >>>>> >>>>> In linux is the best way you can save your pendrive that has been >>>> infected >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, <a href="mailto:michaelpo@gmail.com">michaelpo@gmail.com</a> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:michaelpo@gmail.com">michaelpo@gmail.com</a>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Antivirus for Linux is necessary to help Windows. >>>>>> Let's say a pendrive is infected with virus, plug into linux, it will >>>>>> not affect linux. >>>>>> Linux can help clean the virus. >>>>>> Then when the pendrive is plug into windows, no more virus to destroy >>>>>> windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2008 12:16 AM, Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>>> There are various antivirus available but the most popular one is >>>>>>> ClamAV, which is also an open source project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As many Linux users will ask, why do you need an antivirus for in >>>>>>> Unix/Linux environment? So far there is no "actual" virus attacking >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> Linux environment and you will be safe from viruses if you are using >>>>>>> Linux. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nicholas Ng >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2008 9:06 PM, rick <<a href="mailto:cwyong1@streamyx.com">cwyong1@streamyx.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>> I am new to ubuntu and i would like to know which antivirus would >>>> you >>>>>>>> recommend. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> OSS'ers >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/55dfe2c3/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/55dfe2c3/attachment.htm</a> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 5 >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:57 +0800 >>>>> From: ApOgEE <<a href="mailto:jerungkun@gmail.com">jerungkun@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians >>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <<a href="mailto:1e5d839e0903231914g2c287c89j5d8960b0e0ffe06e@mail.gmail.com">1e5d839e0903231914g2c287c89j5d8960b0e0ffe06e@mail.gmail.com</a>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> >>>>> Greetings Community, >>>>> >>>>> For your information, >>>>> >>>>> Last night, we have already discussed regarding this "making money for >>>>> ubuntu-my" on our loco IRC channel #ubuntu-my on <a href="http://irc.freenode.net" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a> >>>>> >>>>> And here is the conclusion as what I understand (please correct me if >>>>> I'm >>>>> wrong): >>>>> >>>>> - Nobody will make money by representing Ubuntu Community and Ubuntu >>>>> Community won't keep any money for any donations. we don't have any >>>> Treasury >>>>> Dept or Accountant. >>>>> >>>>> - If in case, Ubuntu Community need some money to work on any community >>>>> events/project, the money should be coming from any sponsors including >>>>> ourselves and the money will be spent over that event/project alone. >>>>> >>>>> - All members have freedom to make money using open source, or >>>>> providing >>>>> open source service BUT you CANNOT use Ubuntu Community name OR >>>> representing >>>>> Ubuntu Community. >>>>> >>>>> - You can use your good name and experience in Ubuntu Community to >>>>> strenghten your Profile or Portfolio. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can read the Meeting Log for details at: >>>>> <a href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009" target="_blank">http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009</a> >>>>> Or read the minutes at: >>>>> <a href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa" target="_blank">http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa</a> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope we are all cleared. Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/3/24 Hasan Bakar <<a href="mailto:bizkutrai@gmail.com">bizkutrai@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> >>>>>> "This is why we say that free >>>>>> software<<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html</a>>is a matter of >>>>>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman >>>>>> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <<a href="mailto:nbliang@gmail.com">nbliang@gmail.com</a>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I seconded with Zarul. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get >>>>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that >>>>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a >>>>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of >>>>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of >>>>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and >>>>>>> protect >>>>>>> the community from being turned into business entity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nicholas Ng >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>>: >>>>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that >>>> provides >>>>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is >>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <<a href="mailto:fryshadow@gmail.com">fryshadow@gmail.com</a>> >>>>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> term >>>>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that >>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical >>>>>>>>> itself >>>>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, >>>>>>> poster >>>>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person >>>> instead >>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> $0.002 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best Wishes, >>>>> >>>>> ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>> > <a href="https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee" target="_blank">https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee</a><<a href="https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee" target="_blank">https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee</a>>- >>>>> ApOgEE on LaunchPad >>>>> <a href="http://artofapogee.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://artofapogee.blogspot.com</a> - Art Of ApOgEE >>>>> <a href="http://coderstalk.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://coderstalk.blogspot.com</a> - Coder's Talk >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/a4cca5e4/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/a4cca5e4/attachment.htm</a> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> End of Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42 >>>>> ***************************************** >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/1b90d71e/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/1b90d71e/attachment.htm</a> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-my mailing list >>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> >>> >>> >>> End of Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 46 >>> ***************************************** >>> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org" target="_blank">http://enigmail.mozdev.org</a> > > iD8DBQFJyKJAx3acz6U9C+sRAivZAJwP/zE97Zw8+7LoGJPnbdgs834f0QCgj+5N > A8I8A/3CdsodGik47jY7VUA= > =VGZj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/4077f5b6/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-my/attachments/20090324/4077f5b6/attachment.htm</a> > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Ubuntu-my mailing list > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> > > > End of Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 48 > ***************************************** > -- Ubuntu-my mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> </blockquote></div>