[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 20, Issue 14
f.van.der.star at hetnet.nl
f.van.der.star at hetnet.nl
Sat Aug 16 11:09:35 BST 2008
Dear All,
First of All it appeared that the Dell laptops with Ubuntu in Germany, France and United Kingdom are not cheaper than those which are installed with Mircrosoft Vista. Why? Do not ask me. There are complaints about this.
Why Ubuntu (not saying that other distro's are more bad)? It appeared that this distro is most user friendly for not very computer literate people. The GUI is almost like that from APPLE Mc Intosh.
I fully agree with Mr. P. Kong that it is good for young people to learn themselves about IT by using a Linux-distro. More over because (U)(Li)-nux has been used for many years in big organizations like :
1. Banks (all money-machines are linux-machines)
2. ERP-sytems like Oracle SAP BAAN Huxley (you name it ; it works with Linux or Unix)
3. Big servers are operating with Linux-servers
4. Core software Mobile phones is Unix/Linux
5. WITHOUT ANY DOUBT LINUX/UNIX IS VERY STABLE!!!!!! AND PRACTICALLY VIRUS-FREE!!!
Shortly: Microsoft's XP and Vista will degrade more and more to "Fun"-software, while Linux' market represent the more professional one. Kindly refer to commands regarding Apache and Postgesql etcetera.
How thinking of a Linux Ubuntu Taskforce?
See in Kutching rather many initiatives; why not K.L..?
Greeting now from TROPICAL MALAYSIA Lower Perak
Frans van der Star
f.van.der.star at hetnet.nl
012-5462950
Last but not least: With games you can try with Wine (DLL.-docs).
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1. Re: Dell Malaysia Ubuntu (Donald P Kong)
2. Re: Dell Malaysia Ubuntu (Donald P Kong)
3. Re: Dell Malaysia Ubuntu (Donald P Kong)
4. Re: Dell Malaysia Ubuntu (ApOgEE)
5. Re: Dell Malaysia Ubuntu (ApOgEE)
6. Re: Dell Malaysia Ubuntu (Donald P Kong)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:34:00 +0800
From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Dell Malaysia Ubuntu
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1218713640.4165.5.camel at thinkpad-x61.drizza>
Content-Type: text/plain
while a dealer can pre-install Ubuntu on new laptops from Dell as
requested by the customer, the question is whether the cost of Windows
license on the new laptop has been *deducted* meaning, is the laptop
cheaper than if it was delivered pre-installed with Windows?
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 12:50 +0800, Mohamad Faizul Zulkifli wrote:
> wow,
> thats great apokgeek
> keep on promoting!
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Mohammad Hafiz mypapit - 9w2wtf
> <mypapit at gmail.com> wrote:
> wow, that is great. we should made this fact kown to others
> too (dell
> on ubuntu). tq for the info apogee
>
> On 8/14/08, ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all, my company do sell Dell Laptops and you can request
> to have Ubuntu
> > on it. We are also giving away Ubuntu CD upon customer
> request.
> >
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Donald P Kong
+6019-887-7337
+6016-809-7227
http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
http://www.foss-solutions.com
http://www.kuchingosc.org
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:41:36 +0800
From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Dell Malaysia Ubuntu
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1218714096.4165.13.camel at thinkpad-x61.drizza>
Content-Type: text/plain
herein lies the problem where our younger generation are obsessed with
games on their computers and handphones. also, the education system is
partly to blame for their lack of initiative in exploring new technology
in operating systems.
at this rate, we can only expect the bulk of future malaysians to be
merely computer operators.
one cannot blame computer retail shops as their role in the industry is
purely *trading* ie. they only SELL what the customer wants and worry
about the profit margin. calling themselves IT companies is a joke.
as to manufacturers not pre-installing Linux on their laptops, it's also
market forces at play. in other advanced countries where consumer rights
is powerful, buyers can demand the major vendors to sell computers
without unwanted software which has brought up the cost. our government
is very far behind in terms of consumer rights (or any rights for that
matter :P)
whose job is it to change the malaysian mindset?
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:23 +0800, Katie Kitty wrote:
> But the problem we have now is malaysia refuse to try linux and keep
> on think that linux is hard or linux cannot play games etc.
>
> also, i found that there is a lot of manufacturer refuse to
> pre-install linux into the laptop they produce.
> while for those shop, even when they say in the pricelist said the
> laptop comes with linux, but when the customer get the laptop, it is
> always either empty or it is installed with pirated copy of windows.
>
> if malaysian mindset do not change, it is also quite hard for us to
> promote this wonderful free software to them...
>
>
> --
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> My Launchpad Profile --> https://edge.launchpad.net/~katiekitty
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>
>
>
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+6019-887-7337
+6016-809-7227
http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
http://www.foss-solutions.com
http://www.kuchingosc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:44:43 +0800
From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Dell Malaysia Ubuntu
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1218714283.4165.17.camel at thinkpad-x61.drizza>
Content-Type: text/plain
that is a start although Linpus is more of an OS to show new users that
Linux is useless. hopefully these laptops are cheaper than the ones sold
with Windows on it.
it's a simple task to install Ubuntu on most hardware now. although
there are often issues with sound on these cheap Acer laptops. it does
take some effort to get sound working. this is mostly due to the poor
hardware in these low-end laptops.
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:49 +0800, Ruhaizad Daud wrote:
> with the linux penetration rate here in KK, I think the vendors here
> are still left lightyears behind Kuching, in terms of providing the
> users Linus OS with their OS free notebook.
> The only linux that I see here is Linpus Linux-which happened to be
> pre-installed with Acer Aspire One.
> Really hope they could change to the better...
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:22:16 +0800
From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Dell Malaysia Ubuntu
To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Dear Donald,
FYI, the price for new laptops from Dell without OS is cheaper than the one
that come with Windows OS. It is about the price of that windows license.
So, customer can install any OS they like and not just for Ubuntu. They can
even install FreeBSD, Debian, Slackware, Fedora as they like.
But here in our company, we can give Ubuntu and copy it for free. And if
they need support, they should ask Canonical. AFAIK Dell have no rights to
provide support for Ubuntu OS. But they are so fast in providing Hardware
support. If you have any problem with Dell products (not OS or software
problem) they can come to your place and bring the spare parts for
replacement within the warranty period. For laptops and desktop, you can get
it in the next day after you report them and for server, is about 4 hour.
Dell service are 24/7 and you can count on them.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> wrote:
> while a dealer can pre-install Ubuntu on new laptops from Dell as
> requested by the customer, the question is whether the cost of Windows
> license on the new laptop has been *deducted* meaning, is the laptop
> cheaper than if it was delivered pre-installed with Windows?
>
>
> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 12:50 +0800, Mohamad Faizul Zulkifli wrote:
> > wow,
> > thats great apokgeek
> > keep on promoting!
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Mohammad Hafiz mypapit - 9w2wtf
> > <mypapit at gmail.com> wrote:
> > wow, that is great. we should made this fact kown to others
> > too (dell
> > on ubuntu). tq for the info apogee
> >
> > On 8/14/08, ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all, my company do sell Dell Laptops and you can request
> > to have Ubuntu
> > > on it. We are also giving away Ubuntu CD upon customer
> > request.
> > >
>
>
> --
>
> -------%%@
>
> Donald P Kong
> +6019-887-7337
> +6016-809-7227
>
> http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
> http://www.foss-solutions.com
> http://www.kuchingosc.org
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:35 +0800
From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Dell Malaysia Ubuntu
To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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The idea of pre-installing Linux is not very good because currently we have
more than hundreds Linux distro. So, if they have em pre-installed, they
will likely to have to keep at about hundreds of stocks per shop as if they
wanna have all flavours. That's why they provide a package without OS and
customer can decide on which OS to install. Maybe by promoting and providing
the knowledge of easy installations of Ubuntu, all these sellers will have
more choice of flavor for their products rather than those typical windows.
The only thing is those manufacturer have to support this OpenSource
Operating system for drivers and hardware related stuff.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> wrote:
> herein lies the problem where our younger generation are obsessed with
> games on their computers and handphones. also, the education system is
> partly to blame for their lack of initiative in exploring new technology
> in operating systems.
>
> at this rate, we can only expect the bulk of future malaysians to be
> merely computer operators.
>
> one cannot blame computer retail shops as their role in the industry is
> purely *trading* ie. they only SELL what the customer wants and worry
> about the profit margin. calling themselves IT companies is a joke.
>
> as to manufacturers not pre-installing Linux on their laptops, it's also
> market forces at play. in other advanced countries where consumer rights
> is powerful, buyers can demand the major vendors to sell computers
> without unwanted software which has brought up the cost. our government
> is very far behind in terms of consumer rights (or any rights for that
> matter :P)
>
> whose job is it to change the malaysian mindset?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:23 +0800, Katie Kitty wrote:
> > But the problem we have now is malaysia refuse to try linux and keep
> > on think that linux is hard or linux cannot play games etc.
> >
> > also, i found that there is a lot of manufacturer refuse to
> > pre-install linux into the laptop they produce.
> > while for those shop, even when they say in the pricelist said the
> > laptop comes with linux, but when the customer get the laptop, it is
> > always either empty or it is installed with pirated copy of windows.
> >
> > if malaysian mindset do not change, it is also quite hard for us to
> > promote this wonderful free software to them...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kwebserv Free Web Hosting --> http://kwebserv.info
> > My Launchpad Profile --> https://edge.launchpad.net/~katiekitty<https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ekatiekitty>
> > My Blog --> http://katiekitty.rootshell.la
> >
> >
> >
> --
>
> -------%%@
>
> Donald P Kong
> +6019-887-7337
> +6016-809-7227
>
> http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
> http://www.foss-solutions.com
> http://www.kuchingosc.org
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:41:59 +0800
From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Dell Malaysia Ubuntu
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1218728519.16591.6.camel at thinkpad-x61.drizza>
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last time i checked on malaysian Dell website, there was no way to
purchase a computer without having it come with a windows license. maybe
there is a way around it with an offline purchase. i did not bother to
ask. *shrug*
as you mentioned, it is quite understandable that in the past,
manufacturer's find it hard to pre-install computers with Linux since
there are problems of which distro to choose and who will support it
plus the costs involved. this should no longer be an issue since the
availability of Ubuntu and Canonical providing paid support if needed.
however, the discussion was that Dell Malaysia is not selling any
computer _in_ Malaysia with Ubuntu pre-installed while they do so in
some other countries.
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 20:22 +0800, ApOgEE wrote:
> Dear Donald,
>
> FYI, the price for new laptops from Dell without OS is cheaper than
> the one that come with Windows OS. It is about the price of that
> windows license. So, customer can install any OS they like and not
> just for Ubuntu. They can even install FreeBSD, Debian, Slackware,
> Fedora as they like.
>
> But here in our company, we can give Ubuntu and copy it for free. And
> if they need support, they should ask Canonical. AFAIK Dell have no
> rights to provide support for Ubuntu OS. But they are so fast in
> providing Hardware support. If you have any problem with Dell products
> (not OS or software problem) they can come to your place and bring the
> spare parts for replacement within the warranty period. For laptops
> and desktop, you can get it in the next day after you report them and
> for server, is about 4 hour. Dell service are 24/7 and you can count
> on them.
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