complain about petty dictator op on freenode

Seb Lemery seblemery at
Sun Jan 11 17:32:39 UTC 2015

I don't know of if you are NTZ or not but. They way this user expected
support to be given was rude enough to be removed from the channel. Go for
a walk,  relax and be patient.  The tone used,  and especially when the
question was pasted again right before the mode was applied. I would have
muted you before that.
On Jan 11, 2015 12:30 PM, "Joseph Price" <pricechild at> wrote:

> I'd argue it stops being a personal issue when channel access is used to
> remove someone from the channel... I figure it's perfectly reasonable to
> complain/contest this decision? I'm sad if others don't agree.
> Oh and while I'm at it, I don't buy the whole "ops aren't paid"
> statements... it shouldn't be used as justification - if someone doesn't
> want to deal with something, they can decline to get involved.
> On 11 January 2015 at 17:04, Seb Lemery <seblemery at> wrote:
>> You need to take your issues to him,  it looks like a personal issue. Ops
>> are not paid.  They don't "have"  to give out anything. NTZ looks like he
>> was expecting something like a kid expects dinner.  #ubuntu is not a place
>> to expect answers but guidance, you have to go and read the docs.
>> On Jan 11, 2015 11:16 AM, "indigo196" <indigo196 at> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 02:35 -0500, Seb Lemery wrote:
>>> > Not everyone is an official member. You need to be patient. Someone
>>> > else will help later.
>>> >
>>> I agree with the need to be patient.
>>> I also understand that a new user unfamiliar with IRC will not
>>> understand not getting help when there is a 'large number' of people in
>>> the room. I am not sure how to best communicate some of the nuances of
>>> IRC, but it is an area that could be improved.
>>> In the particular case we are discussing the user asking for help was
>>> not the most polite, but neither was at least one person who was
>>> refusing help. This was not a case of not getting an answer, but a case
>>> of rather rudely being told to go help themselves. It is a response that
>>> aligns with RTFM and not the Ubuntu Community's desire to be helpful to
>>> new users.
>>> After sleeping on the issue I am most concerned with the following:
>>>  - overall rude tone from the person responding to the request for help.
>>>  - repeated "that won't fix your problem" responses, but no effort to
>>> offer an actual solution.
>>> I don't think either person was in the right in that conversation. Did
>>> the operator talk privately with ntz?
>>> Charles
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