complain about petty dictator op on freenode

[José Antonio Rey]

If the user wants to raise a discussion over here because he felt he was
attacked, we are here to provide opinions and advice. That's why the ML is
around, right? :)

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José Antonio Rey
On Jan 11, 2015 12:32 PM, "Seb Lemery" <seblemery at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know of if you are NTZ or not but. They way this user expected
> support to be given was rude enough to be removed from the channel. Go for
> a walk,  relax and be patient.  The tone used,  and especially when the
> question was pasted again right before the mode was applied. I would have
> muted you before that.
> On Jan 11, 2015 12:30 PM, "Joseph Price" <pricechild at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd argue it stops being a personal issue when channel access is used to
>> remove someone from the channel... I figure it's perfectly reasonable to
>> complain/contest this decision? I'm sad if others don't agree.
>>
>> Oh and while I'm at it, I don't buy the whole "ops aren't paid"
>> statements... it shouldn't be used as justification - if someone doesn't
>> want to deal with something, they can decline to get involved.
>>
>> On 11 January 2015 at 17:04, Seb Lemery <seblemery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You need to take your issues to him,  it looks like a personal issue.
>>> Ops are not paid.  They don't "have"  to give out anything. NTZ looks like
>>> he was expecting something like a kid expects dinner.  #ubuntu is not a
>>> place to expect answers but guidance, you have to go and read the docs.
>>> On Jan 11, 2015 11:16 AM, "indigo196" <indigo196 at rochester.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 02:35 -0500, Seb Lemery wrote:
>>>> > Not everyone is an official member. You need to be patient. Someone
>>>> > else will help later.
>>>> >
>>>> I agree with the need to be patient.
>>>>
>>>> I also understand that a new user unfamiliar with IRC will not
>>>> understand not getting help when there is a 'large number' of people in
>>>> the room. I am not sure how to best communicate some of the nuances of
>>>> IRC, but it is an area that could be improved.
>>>>
>>>> In the particular case we are discussing the user asking for help was
>>>> not the most polite, but neither was at least one person who was
>>>> refusing help. This was not a case of not getting an answer, but a case
>>>> of rather rudely being told to go help themselves. It is a response that
>>>> aligns with RTFM and not the Ubuntu Community's desire to be helpful to
>>>> new users.
>>>>
>>>> After sleeping on the issue I am most concerned with the following:
>>>>
>>>>  - overall rude tone from the person responding to the request for help.
>>>>  - repeated "that won't fix your problem" responses, but no effort to
>>>> offer an actual solution.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think either person was in the right in that conversation. Did
>>>> the operator talk privately with ntz?
>>>>
>>>> Charles
>>>>
>>>>
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