ubuntu-gnome14.04
Tim
darkxst at fastmail.fm
Sat May 3 12:36:48 UTC 2014
On 03/05/14 22:16, Paul wrote:
> I am very aware that the code base is maintained by volunteers I
> contribute to two open source projects. On both we freeze any
> development on future for 8 weeks after a release to allow all our
> resources to be used on fixing bugs.
Trusty freeze started on 20th Feb, I doubt much changed since then apart from bug fixes and the odd FFe.
>
> The whole purpose of the original post was to ask very simple question
> "Is the balance right between developing future releases and making the
> current LTS stable?
Its not about balance?!?! Development doesnt stop because you want to use the LTS. As it is 99% of fixes in the LTS release are backported from
the current dev release
>
> But the response that was given "I can guarantee you no one on the
> Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase". From that should I
> understand that the Ubuntu Gnome development team have no knowledge of a
> key Gnome component ?
GNOME is huge! we have a small team that are mostly focussed on the desktop. As I consider it that is more a niche component. I certainly don't
have time to track down corner-case bugs that might take me half a day, when I could fix half-a-dozen far more important bugs in that time.
Consider Priorities ;) As it stands GNOME (Desktop) on Ubuntu in general is probably 1000x better than it was in 12.04. IF there is something
you care about, then *you* should make the effort, to get the info to the right people, in this case, we are not the right people!
>
>
> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 21:29 +1000, Tim wrote:
>> On 03/05/14 20:31, Paul wrote:
>>> An example
>>>
>>> Network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) Tags Trusy
>>>
>>> Bug raised 20-03-2014
>>>
>>> Confirmed 27-03-2014 Affecting multiple users
>>>
>>>
>>> Status now 03-05-14 10:25 GMT Confirmed Importance High Unassigned
>> I wasn't really asking for just one example. If you have issues you should provide links to all the bugs! Maybe we can't help with that bug, but
>> could probably tell you if its better filed with debian or upstream!
>>
>> You do realise that *everything* in universe is maintained by volunteers right? You honestly can't expect instant fixes for these things, we
>> have real lives, real jobs and just spend our spare time doing this! Besides, that bug is not a regression since the betas since it was there in
>> the beta's according to comments (which is what you were actually complaining about?). Probably that is an upstream bug introduced by the new
>> version. I can guarantee you no one on the Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase, so you won't find anyone here that can fix it!
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1294899
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 07:48 +1000, Tim wrote:
>>>> On 03/05/14 02:31, Paul wrote:
>>>>> The version error I agree is not a big thing. I only discovered it when
>>>>> I was trying to discover why the gnome-network-manager that worked (yes
>>>>> I tested it) on the beta and release candidates of gnome 14.04 worked
>>>>> but on the released version don't. Actually there is a long list of
>>>>> things that worked on candidates of genome 14.04 but don't in the full
>>>>> release. What I find most is that the bugs that are confirmed and marked
>>>>> as high priority affecting multiple users have no developer assigned to
>>>>> look at them after 2 weeks.
>>>> Complaining about generic bugs on a mailing list is not going to help anyone, atleast provide specific examples *with* launchpad links! It is
>>>> fairly normal for some bugs to slip through release, especially when the last few weeks of the release cycle is spent stabilising the images and
>>>> installer.
>>>>> Given that gnome 13.10 updates end in the next few weeks it does cause
>>>>> some concern.
>>>> 13.10 support will end around the time 14.04.1 is released, if you are really worried about stability then just wait for that before upgrading!
>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 01:25 +1000, Martin Kelly wrote:
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>> The PPA your talking about isn't just solely Ubuntu GNOME's
>>>>>> developers. It is a general ppa for all Ubuntu based OS's. It is the
>>>>>> upstream repository they (Ubuntu GNOME) use before including it in the
>>>>>> mainline repository. This means it is maintained independently of
>>>>>> Ubuntu GNOME. So the bugs you are referring too are inherent from
>>>>>> GNOME developers not the developers here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside from the version error, which I don't see as that big of a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> From:Paul
>>>>>> Sent:3/05/2014 12:12 AM
>>>>>> To:amjjawad at gnome.org
>>>>>> Cc:ubuntu-gnome
>>>>>> Subject:Re: ubuntu-gnome14.04
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your reply
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The big question is how did so many major bugs appear in the final
>>>>>> release that were not present in the beta testing releases ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I accept the point about nothing being perfect and I would not expect
>>>>>> that. The point I was trying to make was this. Bugs that have been
>>>>>> marked high priority have no developers assigned in 3.10 the release
>>>>>> version of gnome yet we get gnome 3.12 in the staging ppa and
>>>>>> developers
>>>>>> working on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So just simple question is the priority getting the bugs fixed in the
>>>>>> new release or moving on to the next release ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 17:00 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi and thanks for your reply but please make sure to hit Reply To
>>>>>> All
>>>>>>> so that everyone read your email as this is a mailing list not an
>>>>>>> communication between two people only :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Paul <reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Obviously not. But I did notice that it was added 2 days
>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> downloaded 14.04 !!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't release any version unless we finish the release notes and
>>>>>>> publish that at the same time we publish the announcement :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the release notes:
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the known bug:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1299912
>>>>>>> It has been reported in:
>>>>>>> 2014-03-30
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why we couldn't fix it on time before the release?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We couldn't for many reasons that I will leave it to the developers
>>>>>>> and/or packaging team to comment on :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do appreciate that a lot of work went into 14.04 but I
>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> say that
>>>>>>> there is a awful lot of bugs in it. Two weeks on from the
>>>>>>> release still
>>>>>>> a lot of the network-manager addons are not working to
>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>> just one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1- Nothing is prefect :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2- Expecting something to work perfectly is a story and 'getting
>>>>>>> involved' and 'do' something to help Ubuntu GNOME and deal with a
>>>>>>> 'huge burden' is something totally different and another story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3- Lack of manpower + tight Ubuntu Schedule is another story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, you can't really expect something to work with zero bugs.
>>>>>>> That is just not logical and will never happen. There will be always
>>>>>>> bugs ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe my understanding of an LTS release is wrong but I
>>>>>>> understood this
>>>>>>> was aimed at the enterprise. Hence the release date being in
>>>>>>> the middle
>>>>>>> of the Redhat/CentOS conference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think when you review the 14.04 LTS release you need to
>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>> who your
>>>>>>> target user is because quite clearly being in the middle and
>>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> satisfy both solid and stable as well as bleeding edge is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> please everybody."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what I personally believe in :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know nothing is perfect. We know there are some mistakes and
>>>>>> bugs.
>>>>>>> We haven't said Ubuntu GNOME is No.1 as there is no such thing as
>>>>>>> No.1 .. however, we haven't given up and with the so limited
>>>>>> manpower,
>>>>>>> we got the LTS Status:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/lts-status/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO, that was our huge achievement despite all the bad and down
>>>>>>> things we have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, as always, we promise to do our best and learn from the past
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a better future :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your feedback, we highly appreciate that :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:09 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Paul
>>>>>>> <reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> > Has anyone else noticed that if you go into
>>>>>>> > settings->details->overview
>>>>>>> > it report ubuntu 13.10.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The system was a clean install of gnome 14.04 from
>>>>>>> the install
>>>>>>> > DVD have
>>>>>>> > attached the source.list and cant see anything
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Kindly have a read at:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2014-April/001897.html
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Anyone else get the same thing
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thank you!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > amjjawad
>>>>>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> amjjawad
>>>>>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>>>>>
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