ubuntu-gnome14.04
Paul
reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk
Sat May 3 13:22:20 UTC 2014
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 22:36 +1000, Tim wrote:
> On 03/05/14 22:16, Paul wrote:
> > I am very aware that the code base is maintained by volunteers I
> > contribute to two open source projects. On both we freeze any
> > development on future for 8 weeks after a release to allow all our
> > resources to be used on fixing bugs.
> Trusty freeze started on 20th Feb, I doubt much changed since then apart from bug fixes and the odd FFe.
Clearly Not
> >
> > The whole purpose of the original post was to ask very simple question
> > "Is the balance right between developing future releases and making the
> > current LTS stable?
> Its not about balance?!?! Development doesnt stop because you want to use the LTS. As it is 99% of fixes in the LTS release are backported from
> the current dev release
> >
> > But the response that was given "I can guarantee you no one on the
> > Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase". From that should I
> > understand that the Ubuntu Gnome development team have no knowledge of a
> > key Gnome component ?
> GNOME is huge! we have a small team that are mostly focussed on the desktop. As I consider it that is more a niche component. I certainly don't
> have time to track down corner-case bugs that might take me half a day, when I could fix half-a-dozen far more important bugs in that time.
> Consider Priorities ;) As it stands GNOME (Desktop) on Ubuntu in general is probably 1000x better than it was in 12.04. IF there is something
> you care about, then *you* should make the effort, to get the info to the right people, in this case, we are not the right people!
> >
clearly a better name would be gnome-desktop and not gnome .... Then we
would not have to be mind readers and take abuse when a quite simple and
courteous " We only do gnome desktop is better that you ask here" would
suffice. Way better than trying to belittle other users.
> >
> > On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 21:29 +1000, Tim wrote:
> >> On 03/05/14 20:31, Paul wrote:
> >>> An example
> >>>
> >>> Network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) Tags Trusy
> >>>
> >>> Bug raised 20-03-2014
> >>>
> >>> Confirmed 27-03-2014 Affecting multiple users
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Status now 03-05-14 10:25 GMT Confirmed Importance High Unassigned
> >> I wasn't really asking for just one example. If you have issues you should provide links to all the bugs! Maybe we can't help with that bug, but
> >> could probably tell you if its better filed with debian or upstream!
> >>
> >> You do realise that *everything* in universe is maintained by volunteers right? You honestly can't expect instant fixes for these things, we
> >> have real lives, real jobs and just spend our spare time doing this! Besides, that bug is not a regression since the betas since it was there in
> >> the beta's according to comments (which is what you were actually complaining about?). Probably that is an upstream bug introduced by the new
> >> version. I can guarantee you no one on the Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase, so you won't find anyone here that can fix it!
> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1294899
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 07:48 +1000, Tim wrote:
> >>>> On 03/05/14 02:31, Paul wrote:
> >>>>> The version error I agree is not a big thing. I only discovered it when
> >>>>> I was trying to discover why the gnome-network-manager that worked (yes
> >>>>> I tested it) on the beta and release candidates of gnome 14.04 worked
> >>>>> but on the released version don't. Actually there is a long list of
> >>>>> things that worked on candidates of genome 14.04 but don't in the full
> >>>>> release. What I find most is that the bugs that are confirmed and marked
> >>>>> as high priority affecting multiple users have no developer assigned to
> >>>>> look at them after 2 weeks.
> >>>> Complaining about generic bugs on a mailing list is not going to help anyone, atleast provide specific examples *with* launchpad links! It is
> >>>> fairly normal for some bugs to slip through release, especially when the last few weeks of the release cycle is spent stabilising the images and
> >>>> installer.
> >>>>> Given that gnome 13.10 updates end in the next few weeks it does cause
> >>>>> some concern.
> >>>> 13.10 support will end around the time 14.04.1 is released, if you are really worried about stability then just wait for that before upgrading!
> >>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 01:25 +1000, Martin Kelly wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>> The PPA your talking about isn't just solely Ubuntu GNOME's
> >>>>>> developers. It is a general ppa for all Ubuntu based OS's. It is the
> >>>>>> upstream repository they (Ubuntu GNOME) use before including it in the
> >>>>>> mainline repository. This means it is maintained independently of
> >>>>>> Ubuntu GNOME. So the bugs you are referring too are inherent from
> >>>>>> GNOME developers not the developers here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Aside from the version error, which I don't see as that big of a deal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>>>>> From:Paul
> >>>>>> Sent:3/05/2014 12:12 AM
> >>>>>> To:amjjawad at gnome.org
> >>>>>> Cc:ubuntu-gnome
> >>>>>> Subject:Re: ubuntu-gnome14.04
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for your reply
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The big question is how did so many major bugs appear in the final
> >>>>>> release that were not present in the beta testing releases ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I accept the point about nothing being perfect and I would not expect
> >>>>>> that. The point I was trying to make was this. Bugs that have been
> >>>>>> marked high priority have no developers assigned in 3.10 the release
> >>>>>> version of gnome yet we get gnome 3.12 in the staging ppa and
> >>>>>> developers
> >>>>>> working on that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So just simple question is the priority getting the bugs fixed in the
> >>>>>> new release or moving on to the next release ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 17:00 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi and thanks for your reply but please make sure to hit Reply To
> >>>>>> All
> >>>>>>> so that everyone read your email as this is a mailing list not an
> >>>>>>> communication between two people only :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Paul <reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Obviously not. But I did notice that it was added 2 days
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> downloaded 14.04 !!.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We don't release any version unless we finish the release notes and
> >>>>>>> publish that at the same time we publish the announcement :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is the release notes:
> >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is the known bug:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1299912
> >>>>>>> It has been reported in:
> >>>>>>> 2014-03-30
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why we couldn't fix it on time before the release?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We couldn't for many reasons that I will leave it to the developers
> >>>>>>> and/or packaging team to comment on :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do appreciate that a lot of work went into 14.04 but I
> >>>>>> must
> >>>>>>> say that
> >>>>>>> there is a awful lot of bugs in it. Two weeks on from the
> >>>>>>> release still
> >>>>>>> a lot of the network-manager addons are not working to
> >>>>>> mention
> >>>>>>> just one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1- Nothing is prefect :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2- Expecting something to work perfectly is a story and 'getting
> >>>>>>> involved' and 'do' something to help Ubuntu GNOME and deal with a
> >>>>>>> 'huge burden' is something totally different and another story.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3- Lack of manpower + tight Ubuntu Schedule is another story.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That said, you can't really expect something to work with zero bugs.
> >>>>>>> That is just not logical and will never happen. There will be always
> >>>>>>> bugs ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe my understanding of an LTS release is wrong but I
> >>>>>>> understood this
> >>>>>>> was aimed at the enterprise. Hence the release date being in
> >>>>>>> the middle
> >>>>>>> of the Redhat/CentOS conference.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think when you review the 14.04 LTS release you need to
> >>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>> who your
> >>>>>>> target user is because quite clearly being in the middle and
> >>>>>>> trying to
> >>>>>>> satisfy both solid and stable as well as bleeding edge is
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> working.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> please everybody."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is what I personally believe in :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We know nothing is perfect. We know there are some mistakes and
> >>>>>> bugs.
> >>>>>>> We haven't said Ubuntu GNOME is No.1 as there is no such thing as
> >>>>>>> No.1 .. however, we haven't given up and with the so limited
> >>>>>> manpower,
> >>>>>>> we got the LTS Status:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/lts-status/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> IMHO, that was our huge achievement despite all the bad and down
> >>>>>>> things we have.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And, as always, we promise to do our best and learn from the past
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> a better future :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for your feedback, we highly appreciate that :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:09 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Paul
> >>>>>>> <reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>> > Has anyone else noticed that if you go into
> >>>>>>> > settings->details->overview
> >>>>>>> > it report ubuntu 13.10.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > The system was a clean install of gnome 14.04 from
> >>>>>>> the install
> >>>>>>> > DVD have
> >>>>>>> > attached the source.list and cant see anything
> >>>>>>> wrong.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Hi,
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Kindly have a read at:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2014-April/001897.html
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Anyone else get the same thing
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
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> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Thank you!
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > --
> >>>>>>> > Best Regards,
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > amjjawad
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