ubuntu-gnome14.04
Paul
reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk
Sat May 3 12:16:44 UTC 2014
I am very aware that the code base is maintained by volunteers I
contribute to two open source projects. On both we freeze any
development on future for 8 weeks after a release to allow all our
resources to be used on fixing bugs.
The whole purpose of the original post was to ask very simple question
"Is the balance right between developing future releases and making the
current LTS stable?
But the response that was given "I can guarantee you no one on the
Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase". From that should I
understand that the Ubuntu Gnome development team have no knowledge of a
key Gnome component ?
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 21:29 +1000, Tim wrote:
> On 03/05/14 20:31, Paul wrote:
> > An example
> >
> > Network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) Tags Trusy
> >
> > Bug raised 20-03-2014
> >
> > Confirmed 27-03-2014 Affecting multiple users
> >
> >
> > Status now 03-05-14 10:25 GMT Confirmed Importance High Unassigned
> I wasn't really asking for just one example. If you have issues you should provide links to all the bugs! Maybe we can't help with that bug, but
> could probably tell you if its better filed with debian or upstream!
>
> You do realise that *everything* in universe is maintained by volunteers right? You honestly can't expect instant fixes for these things, we
> have real lives, real jobs and just spend our spare time doing this! Besides, that bug is not a regression since the betas since it was there in
> the beta's according to comments (which is what you were actually complaining about?). Probably that is an upstream bug introduced by the new
> version. I can guarantee you no one on the Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase, so you won't find anyone here that can fix it!
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1294899
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 07:48 +1000, Tim wrote:
> >> On 03/05/14 02:31, Paul wrote:
> >>> The version error I agree is not a big thing. I only discovered it when
> >>> I was trying to discover why the gnome-network-manager that worked (yes
> >>> I tested it) on the beta and release candidates of gnome 14.04 worked
> >>> but on the released version don't. Actually there is a long list of
> >>> things that worked on candidates of genome 14.04 but don't in the full
> >>> release. What I find most is that the bugs that are confirmed and marked
> >>> as high priority affecting multiple users have no developer assigned to
> >>> look at them after 2 weeks.
> >> Complaining about generic bugs on a mailing list is not going to help anyone, atleast provide specific examples *with* launchpad links! It is
> >> fairly normal for some bugs to slip through release, especially when the last few weeks of the release cycle is spent stabilising the images and
> >> installer.
> >>> Given that gnome 13.10 updates end in the next few weeks it does cause
> >>> some concern.
> >> 13.10 support will end around the time 14.04.1 is released, if you are really worried about stability then just wait for that before upgrading!
> >>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 01:25 +1000, Martin Kelly wrote:
> >>>> Hey,
> >>>> The PPA your talking about isn't just solely Ubuntu GNOME's
> >>>> developers. It is a general ppa for all Ubuntu based OS's. It is the
> >>>> upstream repository they (Ubuntu GNOME) use before including it in the
> >>>> mainline repository. This means it is maintained independently of
> >>>> Ubuntu GNOME. So the bugs you are referring too are inherent from
> >>>> GNOME developers not the developers here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Aside from the version error, which I don't see as that big of a deal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
> >>>>
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>>> From:Paul
> >>>> Sent:3/05/2014 12:12 AM
> >>>> To:amjjawad at gnome.org
> >>>> Cc:ubuntu-gnome
> >>>> Subject:Re: ubuntu-gnome14.04
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your reply
> >>>>
> >>>> The big question is how did so many major bugs appear in the final
> >>>> release that were not present in the beta testing releases ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I accept the point about nothing being perfect and I would not expect
> >>>> that. The point I was trying to make was this. Bugs that have been
> >>>> marked high priority have no developers assigned in 3.10 the release
> >>>> version of gnome yet we get gnome 3.12 in the staging ppa and
> >>>> developers
> >>>> working on that.
> >>>>
> >>>> So just simple question is the priority getting the bugs fixed in the
> >>>> new release or moving on to the next release ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 17:00 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >>>>> Hi and thanks for your reply but please make sure to hit Reply To
> >>>> All
> >>>>> so that everyone read your email as this is a mailing list not an
> >>>>> communication between two people only :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Paul <reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Obviously not. But I did notice that it was added 2 days
> >>>> after
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> downloaded 14.04 !!.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We don't release any version unless we finish the release notes and
> >>>>> publish that at the same time we publish the announcement :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the release notes:
> >>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the known bug:
> >>>>>
> >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1299912
> >>>>> It has been reported in:
> >>>>> 2014-03-30
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why we couldn't fix it on time before the release?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We couldn't for many reasons that I will leave it to the developers
> >>>>> and/or packaging team to comment on :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do appreciate that a lot of work went into 14.04 but I
> >>>> must
> >>>>> say that
> >>>>> there is a awful lot of bugs in it. Two weeks on from the
> >>>>> release still
> >>>>> a lot of the network-manager addons are not working to
> >>>> mention
> >>>>> just one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1- Nothing is prefect :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2- Expecting something to work perfectly is a story and 'getting
> >>>>> involved' and 'do' something to help Ubuntu GNOME and deal with a
> >>>>> 'huge burden' is something totally different and another story.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3- Lack of manpower + tight Ubuntu Schedule is another story.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That said, you can't really expect something to work with zero bugs.
> >>>>> That is just not logical and will never happen. There will be always
> >>>>> bugs ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe my understanding of an LTS release is wrong but I
> >>>>> understood this
> >>>>> was aimed at the enterprise. Hence the release date being in
> >>>>> the middle
> >>>>> of the Redhat/CentOS conference.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think when you review the 14.04 LTS release you need to
> >>>> ask
> >>>>> who your
> >>>>> target user is because quite clearly being in the middle and
> >>>>> trying to
> >>>>> satisfy both solid and stable as well as bleeding edge is
> >>>> not
> >>>>> working.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying
> >>>> to
> >>>>> please everybody."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is what I personally believe in :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We know nothing is perfect. We know there are some mistakes and
> >>>> bugs.
> >>>>> We haven't said Ubuntu GNOME is No.1 as there is no such thing as
> >>>>> No.1 .. however, we haven't given up and with the so limited
> >>>> manpower,
> >>>>> we got the LTS Status:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/lts-status/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IMHO, that was our huge achievement despite all the bad and down
> >>>>> things we have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And, as always, we promise to do our best and learn from the past
> >>>> for
> >>>>> a better future :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for your feedback, we highly appreciate that :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:09 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Paul
> >>>>> <reclusivegeek at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> > Has anyone else noticed that if you go into
> >>>>> > settings->details->overview
> >>>>> > it report ubuntu 13.10.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > The system was a clean install of gnome 14.04 from
> >>>>> the install
> >>>>> > DVD have
> >>>>> > attached the source.list and cant see anything
> >>>>> wrong.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Hi,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Kindly have a read at:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2014-April/001897.html
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Anyone else get the same thing
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
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> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Thank you!
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > --
> >>>>> > Best Regards,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > amjjawad
> >>>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
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> >>>>>
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