Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3

Tue Apr 3 03:28:44 UTC 2012

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2012/4/2 solaris manzur <sl.solaris at gmail.com>

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>>   1. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Phillip Susi)
>>   2. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Dale Amon)
>>   3. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Vernon Cole)
>>   4. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Dale Amon)
>>   5. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>      (Scott Kitterman)
>>   6. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>      (Jordon Bedwell)
>>   7. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Phillip Susi)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:17:46 -0400
>> From: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>> To: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>> Message-ID: <4F79FB5A.6030808 at ubuntu.com>
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>> On 4/1/2012 7:52 AM, Dale Amon wrote:
>> > Just as an example, I have about 30 terminals
>> > on my desktop. Clicking on one of them puts
>> > me directly into a server somewhere. I can
>> > have a customer on the phone, click once and
>> > be dealing with their problem almost instantly.
>>
>> And you think switching to a blank desktop, moving your hand to the
>> mouse, scanning 30 icons for the one you want, and clicking on it, is
>> faster than just typing "ssh someserver" into a terminal?
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:56:44 +0100
>> From: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>> To: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>> Message-ID: <20120402195643.GM10584 at vnl.com>
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>> On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 03:17:46PM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote:
>> > On 4/1/2012 7:52 AM, Dale Amon wrote:
>> > >Just as an example, I have about 30 terminals
>> > >on my desktop. Clicking on one of them puts
>> > >me directly into a server somewhere. I can
>> > >have a customer on the phone, click once and
>> > >be dealing with their problem almost instantly.
>> >
>> > And you think switching to a blank desktop, moving your hand to the
>> > mouse, scanning 30 icons for the one you want, and clicking on it,
>> > is faster than just typing "ssh someserver" into a terminal?
>>
>> Yes. I could do it in my sleep, in the semi dark.
>>
>> And I have.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:57:05 -0600
>> From: Vernon Cole <vernondcole at gmail.com>
>> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>> Dale makes the case that I have wanted to present, but he says it better
>> than I.  Unity is still missing key components that some of us have really
>> come to depend on. Until those gaps are filled in, we cannot be fully
>> productive using Unity, and therefore don't think it's a good idea to
>> switch to it.
>>
>>  I have taken the Unity challenge, and the computer on which I am typing
>> this -- my daily use laptop -- is running Unity.  After several months of
>> experience, I feel that I am qualified to give a better evaluation than my
>> initial response, which, indeed was: "Unity sucks."  No, it doesn't. It's
>> actually a pretty nice desktop which has a few serious warts.  It works
>> really well for a user with a limited set of applications -- the number
>> which will fit on the pop-out bar (whatever it is being called this week)
>> on the left side of the screen. Your average secretary or software
>> engineer
>> needs no more than that, and within those limitations, Unity is pretty,
>> quick, and easy to use.
>>
>>  But Dale is right, we need to talk about the warts.
>>
>> Wart 1 -- no menu.
>>   Removing the pull-down menu from the top bar did save a lot of space,
>> and makes the screen look cleaner. It also eliminates a neat, hierarchical
>> organization which lets me locate software that I use only occasionally.
>> For example,  I use Windows applications regularly, but rarely need to
>> alter my Wine environment. When I do want to make a change it's easy (on
>> my
>> old boxes) -- just go down to the Wine submenu, and pick one of the four
>> or
>> five items there, I don't remember what they are called. But without an
>> hierarchical organization, how do I find them?  Scroll through screens
>> full
>> of large icons sorted in alphabetical order searching for something which
>> might look familiar???!!!  Insanity!   Same for office applications,
>> multimedia applications, infrequently used accessories...
>>  I also use Xubuntu 11.10 on a daily basis.  It has a nice little menu
>> system accessed from a little icon on the upper left edge of the screen --
>> even smaller then the Blue Ball which appears on the lower left corner of
>> my Windows 7 box -- which also calls up an hierarchical menu.
>>  Solution: copy the Xubuntu menu system.  It should also be called up when
>> I hit the "Windows" key on my keyboard.
>>
>> Wart 2 -- no way to create a launcher.
>>  I think that it's really quite comical that when I click on the <Bazaar
>> Explorer> icon on my desktop that the Windows version of Bazaar Explorer
>> starts up.  The shortcut (i.e.: launcher) was placed there by the Wine
>> program loader when I installed bzr.exe.   [Yes, I did that on purpose --
>> the Windows version does a better job of managing bazaar branches on NTFS
>> volumes. On this dual-boot system, most of my storage is NTFS.]
>>  I am used to having about 1/4 of the space on my desktop cluttered with
>> launchers for things which I my not use daily, but when I want them, I
>> want
>> them NOW, or want them to have root access.  For example, on my 11.04 box
>> I
>> have launchers for Thunar and Wireshark under gksu -- so that I can
>> conveniently move or modify system files, and monitor my ethernet
>> interfaces. The nicest thing about using Ubuntu for a router is the
>> ability
>> to use Wireshark to see what application programs on the downstream
>> network
>> are doing. For that, you need a gui screen with root access.  Easy if you
>> have custom launchers -- very clumsy, otherwise.
>>  Solution A:  (as on Xubuntu) left click on an empty desktop, select
>> "Create Launcher".
>>  Solution B: left click on an existing program icon, select "Create
>> Launcher".
>>
>> Wart 3 -- the active window is visually detached from its control menu.
>>  It took me over a month to discover that most of the things I was
>> _really_ frustrated that Unity would not let me do, were actually easy.
>> The control pull-down menu items that I needed were right there all along
>> -- except that they had moved to the area formerly used for the system
>> control menu at the upper left corner of the screen. Even after these many
>> months I still have to remind myself to look 'way up there" to find them.
>> Also, it is hard to tell where the active window's controls end and the
>> system's controls begin.
>>  Solution A:  (perhaps) make the application's control menu's portion of
>> the top bar the same colour as the frame on the active application window.
>> The simultaneous colour change would create a visual and mental connection
>> between the two screen areas.
>>  Solution B: Activate the pull-down menu when I hit the "menu" key on my
>> keyboard.
>>
>> Wart 4 -- No one-click desktop switching.
>>  The present method: 1) Move the cursor to the left edge of the screen 2)
>> wait a couple of seconds 3) move the cursor to the desktop switcher 4)
>> click on it 5) move the cursor to the desired desktop 6) click twice -- is
>> NOT one click.  Imagine that I have my bank statement on a web browser on
>> one desktop, and my financial application on the other.  To do a
>> reconciliation I must bounce back-and-forth between the two many times.
>> Will the six-step process work for me?
>>  Solution A: have a good one click desktop changer widget.
>>  Solution B: make a training presentation where a user is taught what
>> <ctrl-alt-right arrow> does.
>>
>> Wart 5 -- lack of a comprehensive set of widgets.
>>  Dale mentioned his multi-time-zone clock.  The deal breaker for me is the
>> system monitor widgets.  My home office router/server has the CPU load and
>> network activity widgets running constantly.  When things slow down, a
>> single glance can tell me what is, or is not, wrong.  Click on the widget,
>> and the system monitor application is right there.  I also depend on the
>> X-eyes widget to help me find a lost mouse cursor at times when my age
>> affects my vision.
>>  Solution: Get somebody busy converting widgets.  Also consider desktop
>> widgets (like my smart phone has.)
>>
>> So there it is.  All we want is all the new stuff -- along with everything
>> we had before.  Is that too much to ask?
>> --
>> Vernon
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:58:20 +0100
>> From: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>> To: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>> Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>> by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>> not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:27:57 -0400
>> From: Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
>> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>> On Monday, April 02, 2012 08:58:20 PM Dale Amon wrote:
>> > Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>> > by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>> > not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>
>> That's what ~/.ssh/config is for.
>>
>> Scott K
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:36:22 -0500
>> From: Jordon Bedwell <jordon at envygeeks.com>
>> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Monday, April 02, 2012 08:58:20 PM Dale Amon wrote:
>> >> Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>> >> by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>> >> not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>> >
>> > That's what ~/.ssh/config is for.
>>
>> Or you can also use /etc/hosts and set IP to a hostname locally.
>> There is very little security a 'unique' port provides because without
>> a firewall that has whitelists over blacklist or are doing
>> port-knocking they'll eventually discover the port, sooner then later
>> IMO.  That is if it's a real adversary, I guess for a dumb adversary
>> it would hold them off but I would much rather assume the adversary is
>> smart rather than compromise by assuming they are dumb.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:03:23 -0400
>> From: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>> To: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>> Message-ID: <4F7A141B.3010108 at ubuntu.com>
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>> On 4/2/2012 3:58 PM, Dale Amon wrote:
>> > Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>> > by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>> > not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>
>> You can set you your ssh config to have those so you don't have to
>> remember them, and then typing "ssh somehost" is faster and easier
>> especially at 3am than clicking the correct icon.
>>
>>
>>
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