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Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Phillip Susi) 2. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Dale Amon) 3. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Vernon Cole) 4. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Dale Amon) 5. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Scott Kitterman) 6. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Jordon Bedwell) 7. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Phillip Susi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:17:46 -0400 From: Phillip Susi <<a href="mailto:psusi@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">psusi@ubuntu.com</a>> To: Dale Amon <<a href="mailto:amon@vnl.com" target="_blank">amon@vnl.com</a>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4F79FB5A.6030808@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">4F79FB5A.6030808@ubuntu.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/1/2012 7:52 AM, Dale Amon wrote: > Just as an example, I have about 30 terminals > on my desktop. Clicking on one of them puts > me directly into a server somewhere. I can > have a customer on the phone, click once and > be dealing with their problem almost instantly. And you think switching to a blank desktop, moving your hand to the mouse, scanning 30 icons for the one you want, and clicking on it, is faster than just typing "ssh someserver" into a terminal? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:56:44 +0100 From: Dale Amon <<a href="mailto:amon@vnl.com" target="_blank">amon@vnl.com</a>> To: Phillip Susi <<a href="mailto:psusi@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">psusi@ubuntu.com</a>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20120402195643.GM10584@vnl.com" target="_blank">20120402195643.GM10584@vnl.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 03:17:46PM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 4/1/2012 7:52 AM, Dale Amon wrote: > >Just as an example, I have about 30 terminals > >on my desktop. Clicking on one of them puts > >me directly into a server somewhere. I can > >have a customer on the phone, click once and > >be dealing with their problem almost instantly. > > And you think switching to a blank desktop, moving your hand to the > mouse, scanning 30 icons for the one you want, and clicking on it, > is faster than just typing "ssh someserver" into a terminal? Yes. I could do it in my sleep, in the semi dark. And I have. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:57:05 -0600 From: Vernon Cole <<a href="mailto:vernondcole@gmail.com" target="_blank">vernondcole@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <CAH-ZgAcmg99CbD3k-2c5-reejmi8K+j40=<a href="mailto:Pfm7s4DHPKXr_sXA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">Pfm7s4DHPKXr_sXA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dale makes the case that I have wanted to present, but he says it better than I. Unity is still missing key components that some of us have really come to depend on. Until those gaps are filled in, we cannot be fully productive using Unity, and therefore don't think it's a good idea to switch to it. I have taken the Unity challenge, and the computer on which I am typing this -- my daily use laptop -- is running Unity. After several months of experience, I feel that I am qualified to give a better evaluation than my initial response, which, indeed was: "Unity sucks." No, it doesn't. It's actually a pretty nice desktop which has a few serious warts. It works really well for a user with a limited set of applications -- the number which will fit on the pop-out bar (whatever it is being called this week) on the left side of the screen. Your average secretary or software engineer needs no more than that, and within those limitations, Unity is pretty, quick, and easy to use. But Dale is right, we need to talk about the warts. Wart 1 -- no menu. Removing the pull-down menu from the top bar did save a lot of space, and makes the screen look cleaner. It also eliminates a neat, hierarchical organization which lets me locate software that I use only occasionally. For example, I use Windows applications regularly, but rarely need to alter my Wine environment. When I do want to make a change it's easy (on my old boxes) -- just go down to the Wine submenu, and pick one of the four or five items there, I don't remember what they are called. But without an hierarchical organization, how do I find them? Scroll through screens full of large icons sorted in alphabetical order searching for something which might look familiar???!!! Insanity! Same for office applications, multimedia applications, infrequently used accessories... I also use Xubuntu 11.10 on a daily basis. It has a nice little menu system accessed from a little icon on the upper left edge of the screen -- even smaller then the Blue Ball which appears on the lower left corner of my Windows 7 box -- which also calls up an hierarchical menu. Solution: copy the Xubuntu menu system. It should also be called up when I hit the "Windows" key on my keyboard. Wart 2 -- no way to create a launcher. I think that it's really quite comical that when I click on the <Bazaar Explorer> icon on my desktop that the Windows version of Bazaar Explorer starts up. The shortcut (i.e.: launcher) was placed there by the Wine program loader when I installed bzr.exe. [Yes, I did that on purpose -- the Windows version does a better job of managing bazaar branches on NTFS volumes. On this dual-boot system, most of my storage is NTFS.] I am used to having about 1/4 of the space on my desktop cluttered with launchers for things which I my not use daily, but when I want them, I want them NOW, or want them to have root access. For example, on my 11.04 box I have launchers for Thunar and Wireshark under gksu -- so that I can conveniently move or modify system files, and monitor my ethernet interfaces. The nicest thing about using Ubuntu for a router is the ability to use Wireshark to see what application programs on the downstream network are doing. For that, you need a gui screen with root access. Easy if you have custom launchers -- very clumsy, otherwise. Solution A: (as on Xubuntu) left click on an empty desktop, select "Create Launcher". Solution B: left click on an existing program icon, select "Create Launcher". Wart 3 -- the active window is visually detached from its control menu. It took me over a month to discover that most of the things I was _really_ frustrated that Unity would not let me do, were actually easy. The control pull-down menu items that I needed were right there all along -- except that they had moved to the area formerly used for the system control menu at the upper left corner of the screen. Even after these many months I still have to remind myself to look 'way up there" to find them. Also, it is hard to tell where the active window's controls end and the system's controls begin. Solution A: (perhaps) make the application's control menu's portion of the top bar the same colour as the frame on the active application window. The simultaneous colour change would create a visual and mental connection between the two screen areas. Solution B: Activate the pull-down menu when I hit the "menu" key on my keyboard. Wart 4 -- No one-click desktop switching. The present method: 1) Move the cursor to the left edge of the screen 2) wait a couple of seconds 3) move the cursor to the desktop switcher 4) click on it 5) move the cursor to the desired desktop 6) click twice -- is NOT one click. Imagine that I have my bank statement on a web browser on one desktop, and my financial application on the other. To do a reconciliation I must bounce back-and-forth between the two many times. Will the six-step process work for me? Solution A: have a good one click desktop changer widget. Solution B: make a training presentation where a user is taught what <ctrl-alt-right arrow> does. Wart 5 -- lack of a comprehensive set of widgets. Dale mentioned his multi-time-zone clock. The deal breaker for me is the system monitor widgets. My home office router/server has the CPU load and network activity widgets running constantly. When things slow down, a single glance can tell me what is, or is not, wrong. Click on the widget, and the system monitor application is right there. I also depend on the X-eyes widget to help me find a lost mouse cursor at times when my age affects my vision. Solution: Get somebody busy converting widgets. Also consider desktop widgets (like my smart phone has.) So there it is. All we want is all the new stuff -- along with everything we had before. Is that too much to ask? -- Vernon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20120402/cbc24f1e/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20120402/cbc24f1e/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:58:20 +0100 From: Dale Amon <<a href="mailto:amon@vnl.com" target="_blank">amon@vnl.com</a>> To: Phillip Susi <<a href="mailto:psusi@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">psusi@ubuntu.com</a>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20120402195820.GN10584@vnl.com" target="_blank">20120402195820.GN10584@vnl.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm not very good at remembering those at 3am. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:27:57 -0400 From: Scott Kitterman <<a href="mailto:ubuntu@kitterman.com" target="_blank">ubuntu@kitterman.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <1580516.sopBZzS5Fe@scott-latitude-e6320> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Monday, April 02, 2012 08:58:20 PM Dale Amon wrote: > Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible > by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm > not very good at remembering those at 3am. That's what ~/.ssh/config is for. Scott K ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:36:22 -0500 From: Jordon Bedwell <<a href="mailto:jordon@envygeeks.com" target="_blank">jordon@envygeeks.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <CAN5oe=<a href="mailto:0axDR2A3bYv6Jaiz5OH5QhJTUZ6-gWV08iu_Wr8HyghQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">0axDR2A3bYv6Jaiz5OH5QhJTUZ6-gWV08iu_Wr8HyghQ@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Scott Kitterman <<a href="mailto:ubuntu@kitterman.com" target="_blank">ubuntu@kitterman.com</a>> wrote: > On Monday, April 02, 2012 08:58:20 PM Dale Amon wrote: >> Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible >> by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm >> not very good at remembering those at 3am. > > That's what ~/.ssh/config is for. Or you can also use /etc/hosts and set IP to a hostname locally. There is very little security a 'unique' port provides because without a firewall that has whitelists over blacklist or are doing port-knocking they'll eventually discover the port, sooner then later IMO. That is if it's a real adversary, I guess for a dumb adversary it would hold them off but I would much rather assume the adversary is smart rather than compromise by assuming they are dumb. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:03:23 -0400 From: Phillip Susi <<a href="mailto:psusi@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">psusi@ubuntu.com</a>> To: Dale Amon <<a href="mailto:amon@vnl.com" target="_blank">amon@vnl.com</a>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4F7A141B.3010108@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">4F7A141B.3010108@ubuntu.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/2/2012 3:58 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible > by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm > not very good at remembering those at 3am. You can set you your ssh config to have those so you don't have to remember them, and then typing "ssh somehost" is faster and easier especially at 3am than clicking the correct icon. ------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> End of Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3 *************************************************** </blockquote></div></div></div> <div> </div>-- <div>Abraham de Jesus Quintero Melendez Desarrollador Web OOP, PHP - AJAX - MYSQL - ORACLE - HTML5 Cel: <a href="tel:%28%2B57%29%20300%20-%20483%208410" value="+573004838410" target="_blank">(+57) 300 - 483 8410</a></div> <div>Website: <a href="http://kodeplus.com" target="_blank">http://kodeplus.com</a></div> <div> <div>Lanlandia CodeMasters & IT Solutions Barranquilla - Colombia "No os embriaguéis con vino, en lo cual hay disolución, antes sed llenos del Espíritu Santo de Dios." 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