Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3

Tue Apr 3 03:38:51 UTC 2012

when i press win + R i get a zoom level on my desktop then when i press it
again i get a second one, BUT i have no way to go back to normal. THIS IS
HAPPENING IN 12.04 beta 2. PLEASE WE ARE ALMOST DONE AND THIS IS STILL A
PROBLEM!

2012/4/2 solaris manzur <sl.solaris at gmail.com>

> ubuntu 12.04 beta 2
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> 2012/4/2 solaris manzur <sl.solaris at gmail.com>
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>>>   1. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Phillip Susi)
>>>   2. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Dale Amon)
>>>   3. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Vernon Cole)
>>>   4. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Dale Amon)
>>>   5. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>>      (Scott Kitterman)
>>>   6. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>>      (Jordon Bedwell)
>>>   7. Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed? (Phillip Susi)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:17:46 -0400
>>> From: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>>> To: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>> Message-ID: <4F79FB5A.6030808 at ubuntu.com>
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>>> On 4/1/2012 7:52 AM, Dale Amon wrote:
>>> > Just as an example, I have about 30 terminals
>>> > on my desktop. Clicking on one of them puts
>>> > me directly into a server somewhere. I can
>>> > have a customer on the phone, click once and
>>> > be dealing with their problem almost instantly.
>>>
>>> And you think switching to a blank desktop, moving your hand to the
>>> mouse, scanning 30 icons for the one you want, and clicking on it, is
>>> faster than just typing "ssh someserver" into a terminal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:56:44 +0100
>>> From: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>>> To: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>> Message-ID: <20120402195643.GM10584 at vnl.com>
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 03:17:46PM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote:
>>> > On 4/1/2012 7:52 AM, Dale Amon wrote:
>>> > >Just as an example, I have about 30 terminals
>>> > >on my desktop. Clicking on one of them puts
>>> > >me directly into a server somewhere. I can
>>> > >have a customer on the phone, click once and
>>> > >be dealing with their problem almost instantly.
>>> >
>>> > And you think switching to a blank desktop, moving your hand to the
>>> > mouse, scanning 30 icons for the one you want, and clicking on it,
>>> > is faster than just typing "ssh someserver" into a terminal?
>>>
>>> Yes. I could do it in my sleep, in the semi dark.
>>>
>>> And I have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:57:05 -0600
>>> From: Vernon Cole <vernondcole at gmail.com>
>>> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>>>
>>> Dale makes the case that I have wanted to present, but he says it better
>>> than I.  Unity is still missing key components that some of us have
>>> really
>>> come to depend on. Until those gaps are filled in, we cannot be fully
>>> productive using Unity, and therefore don't think it's a good idea to
>>> switch to it.
>>>
>>>  I have taken the Unity challenge, and the computer on which I am typing
>>> this -- my daily use laptop -- is running Unity.  After several months of
>>> experience, I feel that I am qualified to give a better evaluation than
>>> my
>>> initial response, which, indeed was: "Unity sucks."  No, it doesn't. It's
>>> actually a pretty nice desktop which has a few serious warts.  It works
>>> really well for a user with a limited set of applications -- the number
>>> which will fit on the pop-out bar (whatever it is being called this week)
>>> on the left side of the screen. Your average secretary or software
>>> engineer
>>> needs no more than that, and within those limitations, Unity is pretty,
>>> quick, and easy to use.
>>>
>>>  But Dale is right, we need to talk about the warts.
>>>
>>> Wart 1 -- no menu.
>>>   Removing the pull-down menu from the top bar did save a lot of space,
>>> and makes the screen look cleaner. It also eliminates a neat,
>>> hierarchical
>>> organization which lets me locate software that I use only occasionally.
>>> For example,  I use Windows applications regularly, but rarely need to
>>> alter my Wine environment. When I do want to make a change it's easy (on
>>> my
>>> old boxes) -- just go down to the Wine submenu, and pick one of the four
>>> or
>>> five items there, I don't remember what they are called. But without an
>>> hierarchical organization, how do I find them?  Scroll through screens
>>> full
>>> of large icons sorted in alphabetical order searching for something which
>>> might look familiar???!!!  Insanity!   Same for office applications,
>>> multimedia applications, infrequently used accessories...
>>>  I also use Xubuntu 11.10 on a daily basis.  It has a nice little menu
>>> system accessed from a little icon on the upper left edge of the screen
>>> --
>>> even smaller then the Blue Ball which appears on the lower left corner of
>>> my Windows 7 box -- which also calls up an hierarchical menu.
>>>  Solution: copy the Xubuntu menu system.  It should also be called up
>>> when
>>> I hit the "Windows" key on my keyboard.
>>>
>>> Wart 2 -- no way to create a launcher.
>>>  I think that it's really quite comical that when I click on the <Bazaar
>>> Explorer> icon on my desktop that the Windows version of Bazaar Explorer
>>> starts up.  The shortcut (i.e.: launcher) was placed there by the Wine
>>> program loader when I installed bzr.exe.   [Yes, I did that on purpose --
>>> the Windows version does a better job of managing bazaar branches on NTFS
>>> volumes. On this dual-boot system, most of my storage is NTFS.]
>>>  I am used to having about 1/4 of the space on my desktop cluttered with
>>> launchers for things which I my not use daily, but when I want them, I
>>> want
>>> them NOW, or want them to have root access.  For example, on my 11.04
>>> box I
>>> have launchers for Thunar and Wireshark under gksu -- so that I can
>>> conveniently move or modify system files, and monitor my ethernet
>>> interfaces. The nicest thing about using Ubuntu for a router is the
>>> ability
>>> to use Wireshark to see what application programs on the downstream
>>> network
>>> are doing. For that, you need a gui screen with root access.  Easy if you
>>> have custom launchers -- very clumsy, otherwise.
>>>  Solution A:  (as on Xubuntu) left click on an empty desktop, select
>>> "Create Launcher".
>>>  Solution B: left click on an existing program icon, select "Create
>>> Launcher".
>>>
>>> Wart 3 -- the active window is visually detached from its control menu.
>>>  It took me over a month to discover that most of the things I was
>>> _really_ frustrated that Unity would not let me do, were actually easy.
>>> The control pull-down menu items that I needed were right there all along
>>> -- except that they had moved to the area formerly used for the system
>>> control menu at the upper left corner of the screen. Even after these
>>> many
>>> months I still have to remind myself to look 'way up there" to find them.
>>> Also, it is hard to tell where the active window's controls end and the
>>> system's controls begin.
>>>  Solution A:  (perhaps) make the application's control menu's portion of
>>> the top bar the same colour as the frame on the active application
>>> window.
>>> The simultaneous colour change would create a visual and mental
>>> connection
>>> between the two screen areas.
>>>  Solution B: Activate the pull-down menu when I hit the "menu" key on my
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> Wart 4 -- No one-click desktop switching.
>>>  The present method: 1) Move the cursor to the left edge of the screen 2)
>>> wait a couple of seconds 3) move the cursor to the desktop switcher 4)
>>> click on it 5) move the cursor to the desired desktop 6) click twice --
>>> is
>>> NOT one click.  Imagine that I have my bank statement on a web browser on
>>> one desktop, and my financial application on the other.  To do a
>>> reconciliation I must bounce back-and-forth between the two many times.
>>> Will the six-step process work for me?
>>>  Solution A: have a good one click desktop changer widget.
>>>  Solution B: make a training presentation where a user is taught what
>>> <ctrl-alt-right arrow> does.
>>>
>>> Wart 5 -- lack of a comprehensive set of widgets.
>>>  Dale mentioned his multi-time-zone clock.  The deal breaker for me is
>>> the
>>> system monitor widgets.  My home office router/server has the CPU load
>>> and
>>> network activity widgets running constantly.  When things slow down, a
>>> single glance can tell me what is, or is not, wrong.  Click on the
>>> widget,
>>> and the system monitor application is right there.  I also depend on the
>>> X-eyes widget to help me find a lost mouse cursor at times when my age
>>> affects my vision.
>>>  Solution: Get somebody busy converting widgets.  Also consider desktop
>>> widgets (like my smart phone has.)
>>>
>>> So there it is.  All we want is all the new stuff -- along with
>>> everything
>>> we had before.  Is that too much to ask?
>>> --
>>> Vernon
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:58:20 +0100
>>> From: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>>> To: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>>> Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>>> by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>>> not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:27:57 -0400
>>> From: Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
>>> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>>> On Monday, April 02, 2012 08:58:20 PM Dale Amon wrote:
>>> > Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>>> > by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>>> > not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>>
>>> That's what ~/.ssh/config is for.
>>>
>>> Scott K
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:36:22 -0500
>>> From: Jordon Bedwell <jordon at envygeeks.com>
>>> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
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>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Monday, April 02, 2012 08:58:20 PM Dale Amon wrote:
>>> >> Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>>> >> by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>>> >> not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>> >
>>> > That's what ~/.ssh/config is for.
>>>
>>> Or you can also use /etc/hosts and set IP to a hostname locally.
>>> There is very little security a 'unique' port provides because without
>>> a firewall that has whitelists over blacklist or are doing
>>> port-knocking they'll eventually discover the port, sooner then later
>>> IMO.  That is if it's a real adversary, I guess for a dumb adversary
>>> it would hold them off but I would much rather assume the adversary is
>>> smart rather than compromise by assuming they are dumb.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:03:23 -0400
>>> From: Phillip Susi <psusi at ubuntu.com>
>>> To: Dale Amon <amon at vnl.com>
>>> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Subject: Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
>>> Message-ID: <4F7A141B.3010108 at ubuntu.com>
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>>>
>>> On 4/2/2012 3:58 PM, Dale Amon wrote:
>>> > Oh and did I mention that some are only accessible
>>> > by ip or have unique ssh ports for security? I'm
>>> > not very good at remembering those at 3am.
>>>
>>> You can set you your ssh config to have those so you don't have to
>>> remember them, and then typing "ssh somehost" is faster and easier
>>> especially at 3am than clicking the correct icon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Abraham de Jesus Quintero Melendez
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>  Lanlandia CodeMasters & IT Solutions
> Barranquilla - Colombia
> "No os embriaguéis con vino, en lo cual hay disolución, antes sed llenos
> del Espíritu Santo de Dios."
> "El que no vive para servir, No sirve para vivir"
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>

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del Espíritu Santo de Dios."
"El que no vive para servir, No sirve para vivir"
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