Congrats on 11.04
john.r.moser at gmail.com
Sat Apr 30 03:17:19 UTC 2011
On 04/29/11 23:11, Deric Stowell wrote:
> My system keeps halting. I guess i completely forgot that i did a PPA
> upgrade. now it all makes sense.
Yeah, Ubuntu has a habit of playing the same market game as everyone
else (ship an incomplete i.e. broken product, release patches); but same
rules apply regardless: first question is what did you do, and after
that you can blame the product for being crap.
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM, John Moser <john.r.moser at gmail.com
> <mailto:john.r.moser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 04/29/11 22:33, Martin Owens wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 21:11 -0400, John Moser wrote:
> The Gnome developers are also upset at Canonical. No idea
> It's because Canonical only ate their ice cream cone and
> wouldn't eat
> their ice cream. I remember when Gnome developers* built a
> rocket and
> visited the moon, brought back a whole ton of cheese.
> I tell you one thing that'll stop people using Unity... if it
> actually work. Hardware issues are a lot more pressing that design
> issues, especially now that the design is much more demanding
> on the
> Maybe, although there's a lot of press going on about this.
> People have been critical about Ubuntu doing things they didn't
> like before, though, and eventually they just eat it.
> Significantly this time, I've found several issues that make me
> worry that Ubuntu might get away with squashing Gnome-shell:
> - I've played with both back and forth now for a while, and
> Gnome-Shell is clearly better; people on-line are telling me the
> same thing. Still, both are leaving me confused as to where a lot
> of settings went (mostly, the appearance-related theming stuff; is
> everything now going to be dark colors and blues like some cheap
> sci-fi flick?), and both have a learning curve. Unity seems to
> have no distinction between running applications and applications
> you can run, which ... honestly just makes me want to find the
> smart phone company that the Ubuntu Developers are working for now
> and burn it down with them in it. Abstracting away the concept of
> whether an application is already running or not is horrible.
> - Installing Gnome3 from the PPA really does completely hose the
> system; after that, Unity and Gnome-classic break, only
> Gnome-shell works, and Gnome-shell doesn't work with my ATi card
> (it skews the contents of windows diagonally, ad uselessness).
> Imagine that, I ignored the warnings and something bad happened.
> Like I said, Ubuntu is Microsofting gnome-shell. They're using
> their market clout to squash a product that's better than theirs.
> I'm waiting to see Canonical try to absorb the GNOME team.
> Also I don't like that I can't write anything in python that
> looks like
> Unity, I have to write it all in C and talk directly to
> OpenGL, which is
> messy. If I tried to use Gnome3 then I'd end up having to write in
> Oh woe! Won't someone let me write cool stuff in python?
> Yours with hugs and kisses, Martin Owens
> * That ever fictitious collective aggregate.
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