Congrats on 11.04

Deric Stowell dericnsd at
Sat Apr 30 03:11:14 UTC 2011

My system keeps halting. I guess i completely forgot that i did a PPA
upgrade. now it all makes sense.


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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM, John Moser <john.r.moser at> wrote:

> On 04/29/11 22:33, Martin Owens wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 21:11 -0400, John Moser wrote:
>>> The Gnome developers are also upset at Canonical.  No idea why.
>> It's because Canonical only ate their ice cream cone and wouldn't eat
>> their ice cream. I remember when Gnome developers* built a rocket and
>> visited the moon, brought back a whole ton of cheese.
>> I tell you one thing that'll stop people using Unity... if it doesn't
>> actually work. Hardware issues are a lot more pressing that design
>> issues, especially now that the design is much more demanding on the
>> hardware.
> Maybe, although there's a lot of press going on about this.  People have
> been critical about Ubuntu doing things they didn't like before, though, and
> eventually they just eat it.
> Significantly this time, I've found several issues that make me worry that
> Ubuntu might get away with squashing Gnome-shell:
>  - I've played with both back and forth now for a while, and Gnome-Shell is
> clearly better; people on-line are telling me the same thing.  Still, both
> are leaving me confused as to where a lot of settings went (mostly, the
> appearance-related theming stuff; is everything now going to be dark colors
> and blues like some cheap sci-fi flick?), and both have a learning curve.
>  Unity seems to have no distinction between running applications and
> applications you can run, which ... honestly just makes me want to find the
> smart phone company that the Ubuntu Developers are working for now and burn
> it down with them in it.  Abstracting away the concept of whether an
> application is already running or not is horrible.
>  - Installing Gnome3 from the PPA really does completely hose the system;
> after that, Unity and Gnome-classic break, only Gnome-shell works, and
> Gnome-shell doesn't work with my ATi card (it skews the contents of windows
> diagonally, ad uselessness).  Imagine that, I ignored the warnings and
> something bad happened.
> Like I said, Ubuntu is Microsofting gnome-shell.  They're using their
> market clout to squash a product that's better than theirs.  I'm waiting to
> see Canonical try to absorb the GNOME team.
>  Also I don't like that I can't write anything in python that looks like
>> Unity, I have to write it all in C and talk directly to OpenGL, which is
>> messy. If I tried to use Gnome3 then I'd end up having to write in
>> javascript, which I hate for no apparent reason.
>> Oh woe! Won't someone let me write cool stuff in python?
>> Yours with hugs and kisses, Martin Owens
>> * That ever fictitious collective aggregate.
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