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On 04/29/11 23:11, Deric Stowell wrote:
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halting. I guess i completely forgot that i did a PPA upgrade.
now it all makes sense.</font>
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Yeah, Ubuntu has a habit of playing the same market game as everyone
else (ship an incomplete i.e. broken product, release patches); but
same rules apply regardless: first question is what did you do, and
after that you can blame the product for being crap.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM, John
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<div class="im">On 04/29/11 22:33, Martin Owens wrote:<br>
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On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 21:11 -0400, John Moser wrote:<br>
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The Gnome developers are also upset at Canonical. No
idea why.<br>
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It's because Canonical only ate their ice cream cone and
wouldn't eat<br>
their ice cream. I remember when Gnome developers* built
a rocket and<br>
visited the moon, brought back a whole ton of cheese.<br>
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I tell you one thing that'll stop people using Unity...
if it doesn't<br>
actually work. Hardware issues are a lot more pressing
that design<br>
issues, especially now that the design is much more
demanding on the<br>
hardware.<br>
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Maybe, although there's a lot of press going on about this.
People have been critical about Ubuntu doing things they
didn't like before, though, and eventually they just eat it.<br>
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Significantly this time, I've found several issues that make
me worry that Ubuntu might get away with squashing
Gnome-shell:<br>
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- I've played with both back and forth now for a while, and
Gnome-Shell is clearly better; people on-line are telling me
the same thing. Still, both are leaving me confused as to
where a lot of settings went (mostly, the appearance-related
theming stuff; is everything now going to be dark colors and
blues like some cheap sci-fi flick?), and both have a
learning curve. Unity seems to have no distinction between
running applications and applications you can run, which ...
honestly just makes me want to find the smart phone company
that the Ubuntu Developers are working for now and burn it
down with them in it. Abstracting away the concept of
whether an application is already running or not is
horrible.<br>
<br>
- Installing Gnome3 from the PPA really does completely
hose the system; after that, Unity and Gnome-classic break,
only Gnome-shell works, and Gnome-shell doesn't work with my
ATi card (it skews the contents of windows diagonally, ad
uselessness). Imagine that, I ignored the warnings and
something bad happened.<br>
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Like I said, Ubuntu is Microsofting gnome-shell. They're
using their market clout to squash a product that's better
than theirs. I'm waiting to see Canonical try to absorb the
GNOME team.
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Also I don't like that I can't write anything in
python that looks like<br>
Unity, I have to write it all in C and talk directly
to OpenGL, which is<br>
messy. If I tried to use Gnome3 then I'd end up having
to write in<br>
javascript, which I hate for no apparent reason.<br>
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Oh woe! Won't someone let me write cool stuff in
python?<br>
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Yours with hugs and kisses, Martin Owens<br>
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* That ever fictitious collective aggregate.<br>
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