14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

bapoumba bapoumba at ubuntu.com
Sat May 17 21:07:14 UTC 2014

Hey John,

everything is set up to daily.


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com> wrote:

>  At this point I'd like to think that there is much less of a problem
> than I thought for a while, but since the issue has security implications
> it's worth being sure.
> Assuming proper behavior for a moment, apart from phased updates, another
> delineation point is whether the available updates are Security or Other.
> Preferences: Software & Updates: Updates (software-properties-gtk) by
> default is set to display security updates immediately (but only once
> daily, as it now seems to mean!), but other updates weekly.  So if your
> list happens to include only other updates, then nothing would appear for a
> week.
> On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:
>      Hello :)
>  I've been keeping an eye on this.
>  For 2 days, update-notifier has not reported anything. just checked today
> with apt-get and got this from a simulation on upgrade :
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   apport apport-gtk python3-apport python3-problem-report
>   python3-software-properties software-properties-common
>   software-properties-gtk
>  Looking here :
> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html, I see
> software-propoerties has currently been offered to 90% of users and is on
> day 2, I'll wait for a day or two.
>  The other one that I have installed and could be upgraded is apport, but
> it is being blocked due to
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349
>  The apport bug seems fixed, but the package offered by apt-get is still
> 2.14.1 :
> Inst apport [2.14.1-0ubuntu3] (2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
> Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [all])
>  when the fix is in package apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only available in
> utopic for now (I'm on trusty).
>  So we'll see.
>  Cheers,
>  b.
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com> wrote:
>>  On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM, brendanperrine wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 14:37:38 -0400
>>> John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com> wrote:
>>>  Some fresh experiences today:
>>>> I booted the laptop, manually ran just "update-notifier" from the
>>>> terminal (and yes, I did forget to add " &"), and Software Updater
>>>> appeared almost immediately to offer a big batch of updates.
>>>> Rather inexplicable, but running with it just to see what would happen,
>>>> I rebooted without installing anything, added update-notifier to Default
>>>> applications for LXSession: Autostart tab, and rebooted again.  The
>>>> update-notifier changelog indicates that it is supposed to poll every
>>>> 180 seconds.  For good measure I gave it 10 minutes, but Software
>>>> Updater did not appear.  I rebooted 10 times and waited 10 minutes each
>>>> time, all with the same no-show results.
>>>> I also booted the desktop on which I installed 14.04 a couple days ago.
>>>> I did not manually run update-notifier but instead set up the
>>>> update-notifier workaround in Default applications for LXSession.  I
>>>> rebooted and *Software Updater almost immediately offered 140+ MB of
>>>> updates*, which I installed.
>>>> Back on the laptop, I gave it an Ethernet connection and rebooted 5 more
>>>> times, waiting 10 minutes each time.  Still no updates offered.
>>>> I removed the update-notifier entry from Default applications for
>>>> LXSession: Autostart, pulled the Ethernet plug, switched the WiFi back
>>>> on, and rebooted.  I ran "update-notifier &" from a terminal and waited
>>>> 10 minutes.  No results.  I did this 5 times.
>>>> Then I did the same as above but ran "dbus-launch update-notifier &"
>>>> instead.  I did this 3 times with no results.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> The only hypothesis I can see from the above is that
>>>> update-notifier/manager will offer the updates once (per day?), and if
>>>> you don't install them it will not offer them again.
>>>> Could this be?
>>>>  I think in software and updates from the menu is set to check daily by
>>> default.
>>  I see that now, and that may be the simple and good explanation for
>> what appeared to be bad behavior.  Though update-notifier runs as a daemon
>> and polls every 180s, it is update-manager that actually offers the
>> updates, so clearly there is some mechanism between them (which I have
>> asked about here before).
>> Software-properties-gtk (aka Preferences: Software & Updates) is supposed
>> to "manage the repositories that you install software from," and its
>> manpage describes it simply as a software sources list editor, but via its
>> Updates tab it also seems to govern update-notifier/manager.
>> Since it cannot be set to check more often than daily, it looks like I'll
>> have to wait until tomorrow to confirm whether it works, but I'll manually
>> add update-notifier back to the Autostart list.
>> If that succeeds, then there really is no deep problem, only the problem
>> with /etc/xdg/autostart that also affects nm-applet, etc., for which we
>> have the workaround (and for which a true fix is in the works).
>> Thanks, Brendan!
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