14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier
lubuntu at prpcompany.com
Sat May 17 20:46:48 UTC 2014
At this point I'd like to think that there is much less of a problem
than I thought for a while, but since the issue has security
implications it's worth being sure.
Assuming proper behavior for a moment, apart from phased updates,
another delineation point is whether the available updates are Security
or Other. Preferences: Software & Updates: Updates
(software-properties-gtk) by default is set to display security updates
immediately (but only once daily, as it now seems to mean!), but other
updates weekly. So if your list happens to include only other updates,
then nothing would appear for a week.
On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:
> Hello :)
> I've been keeping an eye on this.
> For 2 days, update-notifier has not reported anything. just checked
> today with apt-get and got this from a simulation on upgrade :
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> apport apport-gtk python3-apport python3-problem-report
> python3-software-properties software-properties-common
> Looking here :
> <http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html>, I
> see software-propoerties has currently been offered to 90% of users
> and is on day 2, I'll wait for a day or two.
> The other one that I have installed and could be upgraded is apport,
> but it is being blocked due to
> The apport bug seems fixed, but the package offered by apt-get is
> still 2.14.1 :
> Inst apport [2.14.1-0ubuntu3] (2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
> Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [all])
> when the fix is in package apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only available in
> utopic for now (I'm on trusty).
> So we'll see.
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
> On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM, brendanperrine wrote:
> On Sat, 17 May 2014 14:37:38 -0400
> John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
> Some fresh experiences today:
> I booted the laptop, manually ran just "update-notifier"
> from the
> terminal (and yes, I did forget to add " &"), and Software
> appeared almost immediately to offer a big batch of updates.
> Rather inexplicable, but running with it just to see what
> would happen,
> I rebooted without installing anything, added
> update-notifier to Default
> applications for LXSession: Autostart tab, and rebooted
> again. The
> update-notifier changelog indicates that it is supposed to
> poll every
> 180 seconds. For good measure I gave it 10 minutes, but
> Updater did not appear. I rebooted 10 times and waited 10
> minutes each
> time, all with the same no-show results.
> I also booted the desktop on which I installed 14.04 a
> couple days ago.
> I did not manually run update-notifier but instead set up the
> update-notifier workaround in Default applications for
> LXSession. I
> rebooted and *Software Updater almost immediately offered
> 140+ MB of
> updates*, which I installed.
> Back on the laptop, I gave it an Ethernet connection and
> rebooted 5 more
> times, waiting 10 minutes each time. Still no updates
> I removed the update-notifier entry from Default
> applications for
> LXSession: Autostart, pulled the Ethernet plug, switched
> the WiFi back
> on, and rebooted. I ran "update-notifier &" from a
> terminal and waited
> 10 minutes. No results. I did this 5 times.
> Then I did the same as above but ran "dbus-launch
> update-notifier &"
> instead. I did this 3 times with no results.
> The only hypothesis I can see from the above is that
> update-notifier/manager will offer the updates once (per
> day?), and if
> you don't install them it will not offer them again.
> Could this be?
> I think in software and updates from the menu is set to check
> daily by default.
> I see that now, and that may be the simple and good explanation
> for what appeared to be bad behavior. Though update-notifier runs
> as a daemon and polls every 180s, it is update-manager that
> actually offers the updates, so clearly there is some mechanism
> between them (which I have asked about here before).
> Software-properties-gtk (aka Preferences: Software & Updates) is
> supposed to "manage the repositories that you install software
> from," and its manpage describes it simply as a software sources
> list editor, but via its Updates tab it also seems to govern
> Since it cannot be set to check more often than daily, it looks
> like I'll have to wait until tomorrow to confirm whether it works,
> but I'll manually add update-notifier back to the Autostart list.
> If that succeeds, then there really is no deep problem, only the
> problem with /etc/xdg/autostart that also affects nm-applet, etc.,
> for which we have the workaround (and for which a true fix is in
> the works).
> Thanks, Brendan!
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