<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hey John,<br><br></div>everything is set up to daily.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>b.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM, John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>At this point I'd like to think that
there is much less of a problem than I thought for a while, but
since the issue has security implications it's worth being sure.<br>
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Assuming proper behavior for a moment, apart from phased updates,
another delineation point is whether the available updates are
Security or Other. Preferences: Software & Updates: Updates
(software-properties-gtk) by default is set to display security
updates immediately (but only once daily, as it now seems to
mean!), but other updates weekly. So if your list happens to
include only other updates, then nothing would appear for a week.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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I've been keeping an eye on this.<br>
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For 2 days, update-notifier has not reported
anything. just checked today with apt-get and got
this from a simulation on upgrade :<br>
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The following packages will be upgraded:<br>
apport apport-gtk python3-apport
python3-problem-report<br>
python3-software-properties
software-properties-common<br>
software-properties-gtk<br>
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Looking here : <a href="http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html" target="_blank">http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html</a>,
I see software-propoerties has currently been
offered to 90% of users and is on day 2, I'll wait
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The other one that I have installed and could be
upgraded is apport, but it is being blocked due to <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349</a><br>
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The apport bug seems fixed, but the package offered by
apt-get is still 2.14.1 :<br>
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Inst apport [2.14.1-0ubuntu3] (2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [all])<br>
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when the fix is in package apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only
available in utopic for now (I'm on trusty).<br>
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So we'll see.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 14:37:38 -0400<br>
John Hupp <<a href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>>
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Some fresh experiences today:<br>
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I booted the laptop, manually ran just
"update-notifier" from the<br>
terminal (and yes, I did forget to add " &"),
and Software Updater<br>
appeared almost immediately to offer a big batch of
updates.<br>
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Rather inexplicable, but running with it just to see
what would happen,<br>
I rebooted without installing anything, added
update-notifier to Default<br>
applications for LXSession: Autostart tab, and
rebooted again. The<br>
update-notifier changelog indicates that it is
supposed to poll every<br>
180 seconds. For good measure I gave it 10 minutes,
but Software<br>
Updater did not appear. I rebooted 10 times and
waited 10 minutes each<br>
time, all with the same no-show results.<br>
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I also booted the desktop on which I installed 14.04
a couple days ago.<br>
I did not manually run update-notifier but instead
set up the<br>
update-notifier workaround in Default applications
for LXSession. I<br>
rebooted and *Software Updater almost immediately
offered 140+ MB of<br>
updates*, which I installed.<br>
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Back on the laptop, I gave it an Ethernet connection
and rebooted 5 more<br>
times, waiting 10 minutes each time. Still no
updates offered.<br>
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I removed the update-notifier entry from Default
applications for<br>
LXSession: Autostart, pulled the Ethernet plug,
switched the WiFi back<br>
on, and rebooted. I ran "update-notifier &"
from a terminal and waited<br>
10 minutes. No results. I did this 5 times.<br>
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Then I did the same as above but ran "dbus-launch
update-notifier &"<br>
instead. I did this 3 times with no results.<br>
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The only hypothesis I can see from the above is that<br>
update-notifier/manager will offer the updates once
(per day?), and if<br>
you don't install them it will not offer them again.<br>
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Could this be?<br>
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I think in software and updates from the menu is set
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I see that now, and that may be the simple and good
explanation for what appeared to be bad behavior. Though
update-notifier runs as a daemon and polls every 180s, it is
update-manager that actually offers the updates, so clearly
there is some mechanism between them (which I have asked
about here before).<br>
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Software-properties-gtk (aka Preferences: Software &
Updates) is supposed to "manage the repositories that you
install software from," and its manpage describes it simply
as a software sources list editor, but via its Updates tab
it also seems to govern update-notifier/manager.<br>
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Since it cannot be set to check more often than daily, it
looks like I'll have to wait until tomorrow to confirm
whether it works, but I'll manually add update-notifier back
to the Autostart list.<br>
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If that succeeds, then there really is no deep problem, only
the problem with /etc/xdg/autostart that also affects
nm-applet, etc., for which we have the workaround (and for
which a true fix is in the works).<br>
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Thanks, Brendan!
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