14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier
lubuntu at prpcompany.com
Sun May 18 15:23:29 UTC 2014
When I booted the laptop today (with the Default applications for
LXSession in place), I was immediately offered updates, so I take that
as a good initial confirmation of what I posted yesterday.
I installed some, but not all of the updates, so we'll see if I'm
offered more over the next couple days.
On 5/17/2014 5:07 PM, bapoumba wrote:
> Hey John,
> everything is set up to daily.
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
> At this point I'd like to think that there is much less of a
> problem than I thought for a while, but since the issue has
> security implications it's worth being sure.
> Assuming proper behavior for a moment, apart from phased updates,
> another delineation point is whether the available updates are
> Security or Other. Preferences: Software & Updates: Updates
> (software-properties-gtk) by default is set to display security
> updates immediately (but only once daily, as it now seems to
> mean!), but other updates weekly. So if your list happens to
> include only other updates, then nothing would appear for a week.
> On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:
>> Hello :)
>> I've been keeping an eye on this.
>> For 2 days, update-notifier has not reported anything. just
>> checked today with apt-get and got this from a simulation on
>> upgrade :
>> The following packages will be upgraded:
>> apport apport-gtk python3-apport python3-problem-report
>> python3-software-properties software-properties-common
>> Looking here :
>> I see software-propoerties has currently been offered to 90% of
>> users and is on day 2, I'll wait for a day or two.
>> The other one that I have installed and could be upgraded is
>> apport, but it is being blocked due to
>> The apport bug seems fixed, but the package offered by apt-get is
>> still 2.14.1 :
>> Inst apport [2.14.1-0ubuntu3] (2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
>> Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [all])
>> when the fix is in package apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only
>> available in utopic for now (I'm on trusty).
>> So we'll see.
>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Hupp
>> <lubuntu at prpcompany.com <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>> On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM, brendanperrine wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 14:37:38 -0400
>> John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
>> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>> Some fresh experiences today:
>> I booted the laptop, manually ran just
>> "update-notifier" from the
>> terminal (and yes, I did forget to add " &"), and
>> Software Updater
>> appeared almost immediately to offer a big batch of
>> Rather inexplicable, but running with it just to see
>> what would happen,
>> I rebooted without installing anything, added
>> update-notifier to Default
>> applications for LXSession: Autostart tab, and
>> rebooted again. The
>> update-notifier changelog indicates that it is
>> supposed to poll every
>> 180 seconds. For good measure I gave it 10 minutes,
>> but Software
>> Updater did not appear. I rebooted 10 times and
>> waited 10 minutes each
>> time, all with the same no-show results.
>> I also booted the desktop on which I installed 14.04
>> a couple days ago.
>> I did not manually run update-notifier but instead
>> set up the
>> update-notifier workaround in Default applications
>> for LXSession. I
>> rebooted and *Software Updater almost immediately
>> offered 140+ MB of
>> updates*, which I installed.
>> Back on the laptop, I gave it an Ethernet connection
>> and rebooted 5 more
>> times, waiting 10 minutes each time. Still no
>> updates offered.
>> I removed the update-notifier entry from Default
>> applications for
>> LXSession: Autostart, pulled the Ethernet plug,
>> switched the WiFi back
>> on, and rebooted. I ran "update-notifier &" from a
>> terminal and waited
>> 10 minutes. No results. I did this 5 times.
>> Then I did the same as above but ran "dbus-launch
>> update-notifier &"
>> instead. I did this 3 times with no results.
>> The only hypothesis I can see from the above is that
>> update-notifier/manager will offer the updates once
>> (per day?), and if
>> you don't install them it will not offer them again.
>> Could this be?
>> I think in software and updates from the menu is set to
>> check daily by default.
>> I see that now, and that may be the simple and good
>> explanation for what appeared to be bad behavior. Though
>> update-notifier runs as a daemon and polls every 180s, it is
>> update-manager that actually offers the updates, so clearly
>> there is some mechanism between them (which I have asked
>> about here before).
>> Software-properties-gtk (aka Preferences: Software & Updates)
>> is supposed to "manage the repositories that you install
>> software from," and its manpage describes it simply as a
>> software sources list editor, but via its Updates tab it also
>> seems to govern update-notifier/manager.
>> Since it cannot be set to check more often than daily, it
>> looks like I'll have to wait until tomorrow to confirm
>> whether it works, but I'll manually add update-notifier back
>> to the Autostart list.
>> If that succeeds, then there really is no deep problem, only
>> the problem with /etc/xdg/autostart that also affects
>> nm-applet, etc., for which we have the workaround (and for
>> which a true fix is in the works).
>> Thanks, Brendan!
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