14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

John Hupp lubuntu at prpcompany.com
Thu May 15 02:21:17 UTC 2014

Hi, Phill.

I can be dense at any time of the day, and it's late here now, so the 
risks are even higher.

But: The Release Notes and links on that point (/etc/xdg/autostart 
shortcuts don't work) seem both succinct and broad enough, but I'm not 
seeing that they cover this case.  I can get update-notifier running by 
several workarounds, but I never get a notification that updates are 
available.  And it's not due to Phased Updates, because update-manager 
shows many Security and Other updates available.

If I'm missing your message on this, you'll have to reapproach.


On 5/14/2014 6:51 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hi,
> so the release notes do not state it can take two reboots (network), 
> and the initial bug points to the second bug which affects (amongst 
> other) update manager?
> I'm not being picky, but I added that section and would appreciate how 
> to make it clearer for those people who actually bother to read them.
> Regards,
> Phill.
> On 14 May 2014 23:38, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com 
> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>     For nm-applet, Fix #1 at
>     http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html
>     worked for me, and Fix #2 slipped from memory.
>     But for this problem with update-notifier, *neither* Fix results
>     in notification of updates.
>     Oddly, in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop, neither
>         Exec=dbus-launch update-notifier
>     nor
>         Exec="dbus-launch update-notifier"
>     results in a running update-notifier process.
>     If from the terminal I run
>         $ dbus-launch update-notifier
>     that produces a running process, but as in the previous post, I
>     get no actual notification of updates.
>     Which brings me back around to my current working theory that bug
>     1046563 (concerning update-notifier) really is distinct from the
>     nm-applet bug.
>     On 5/14/2014 5:36 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>     Hi John (and everyone else),
>>     This issue is known about and is on the release notes[1]. It
>>     never surprises me that people never read them :) If you are
>>     affected, simply log onto the bug and click 'Affects Me', this
>>     way you will get updates as the bug progresses. Rest assured,
>>     Julien is on the case (look at the most recent posts).
>>     Regards,
>>     Phill.
>>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Applications
>>     On 14 May 2014 22:22, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
>>     <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>         On 5/13/2014 6:40 PM, brendanperrine wrote:
>>>         On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:39:52 -0400
>>>         Dale Visser<dale.visser at live.com>  <mailto:dale.visser at live.com>  wrote:
>>>>         I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04
>>>         Also I think this may be a related issue but if I do update and then have a kernel update then the reminder to restart your computer does not come up.
>>         OK, I found out that the first problem is that
>>         update-notifier is supposed to launch from a shortcut in
>>         /etc/xdg/autostart -- the same location that nm-applet is
>>         supposed to launch from.  But it is well known that nm-applet
>>         fails to launch from that location under 14.04.  In fact,
>>         nothing will.  See Bug 1309698 - Lubuntu does not handle
>>         /etc/xdg/autostart
>>         <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1309698>
>>         If one employs the same workaround as for nm-applet, manually
>>         adding update-notifier as an autostart app, then
>>         update-notifier appears as a running process.
>>         *BUT*, I have not yet been prompted to install any updates. 
>>         I understand that update-notifier is supposed to poll for
>>         updates every 180 seconds.  So whatever was at work in
>>         https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
>>         (starting with 12.04) seems to be failing here still.
>>         Some of the Ubuntu-related servers seemed to be out of
>>         commission earlier today, so maybe that comes into play also.
>>         I see that some people have gotten results with
>>         update-notifier.  I don't know what may be different here. 
>>         This is on a laptop, so some default settings may be
>>         different than for desktops.
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         On another point from my original post -- the difference
>>         between updates offered by update-manager vs. apt-get -- I
>>         found out that update-manager respects the Phased Updates
>>         mentioned earlier by Dale Visser, and apt-get (and Synaptic)
>>         do not.  They will offer everything that has been released. 
>>         See bapoumba's post at Software Updater not notifying
>>         <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325&page=5&p=13018620#post13018620>,
>>         though I don't know which of his three references he is
>>         drawing that from.
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         @BrendanP: update-notifier is used to issue the reboot
>>         reminder, so that is a related issue.
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