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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Phill.<br>
      <br>
      I can be dense at any time of the day, and it's late here now, so
      the risks are even higher.<br>
      <br>
      But: The Release Notes and links on that point (/etc/xdg/autostart
      shortcuts don't work) seem both succinct and broad enough, but I'm
      not seeing that they cover this case.  I can get update-notifier
      running by several workarounds, but I never get a notification
      that updates are available.  And it's not due to Phased Updates,
      because update-manager shows many Security and Other updates
      available.<br>
      <br>
      If I'm missing your message on this, you'll have to reapproach.<br>
      <br>
      --John<br>
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      On 5/14/2014 6:51 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi,
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        <div>so the release notes do not state it can take two reboots
          (network), and the initial bug points to the second bug which
          affects (amongst other) update manager?</div>
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          I'm not being picky, but I added that section and would
          appreciate how to make it clearer for those people who
          actually bother to read them.</div>
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        <div>Regards,</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Phill.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 14 May 2014 23:38, John Hupp <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>For nm-applet, Fix #1 at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html"
                  target="_blank">http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html</a>
                worked for me, and Fix #2 slipped from memory.<br>
                <br>
                But for this problem with update-notifier, *neither* Fix
                results in notification of updates.<br>
                <br>
                Oddly, in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop,
                neither<br>
                    Exec=dbus-launch update-notifier<br>
                nor<br>
                    Exec="dbus-launch update-notifier"<br>
                results in a running update-notifier process.  <br>
                <br>
                If from the terminal I run <br>
                    $ dbus-launch update-notifier<br>
                that produces a running process, but as in the previous
                post, I get no actual notification of updates.<br>
                <br>
                Which brings me back around to my current working theory
                that bug 1046563 (concerning update-notifier) really is
                distinct from the nm-applet bug.
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                    On 5/14/2014 5:36 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Hi John (and everyone else),
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                      <div>This issue is known about and is on the
                        release notes[1]. It never surprises me that
                        people never read them :) If you are affected,
                        simply log onto the bug and click 'Affects Me',
                        this way you will get updates as the bug
                        progresses. Rest assured, Julien is on the case
                        (look at the most recent posts).</div>
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                      <div>Regards,</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>Phill.</div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Applications"
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 14 May 2014 22:22,
                        John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com"
                            target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
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                            <div>On 5/13/2014 6:40 PM, brendanperrine
                              wrote:<br>
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                              <pre>On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:39:52 -0400
Dale Visser <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dale.visser@live.com" target="_blank"><dale.visser@live.com></a> wrote:

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                                <pre>I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04
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                              <pre>Also I think this may be a related issue but if I do update and then have a kernel update then the reminder to restart your computer does not come up. 
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                            OK, I found out that the first problem is
                            that update-notifier is supposed to launch
                            from a shortcut in /etc/xdg/autostart -- the
                            same location that nm-applet is supposed to
                            launch from.  But it is well known that
                            nm-applet fails to launch from that location
                            under 14.04.  In fact, nothing will.  See <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1309698"
                              target="_blank">Bug 1309698 - Lubuntu does
                              not handle /etc/xdg/autostart</a><br>
                            <br>
                            If one employs the same workaround as for
                            nm-applet, manually adding update-notifier
                            as an autostart app, then update-notifier
                            appears as a running process.<br>
                            <br>
                            *BUT*, I have not yet been prompted to
                            install any updates.  I understand that
                            update-notifier is supposed to poll for
                            updates every 180 seconds.  So whatever was
                            at work in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563"
                              target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563</a>
                            (starting with 12.04) seems to be failing
                            here still.<br>
                            <br>
                            Some of the Ubuntu-related servers seemed to
                            be out of commission earlier today, so maybe
                            that comes into play also.<br>
                            <br>
                            I see that some people have gotten results
                            with update-notifier.  I don't know what may
                            be different here.  This is on a laptop, so
                            some default settings may be different than
                            for desktops.<br>
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                            On another point from my original post --
                            the difference between updates offered by
                            update-manager vs. apt-get -- I found out
                            that update-manager respects the Phased
                            Updates mentioned earlier by Dale Visser,
                            and apt-get (and Synaptic) do not.  They
                            will offer everything that has been
                            released.  See bapoumba's post at <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325&page=5&p=13018620#post13018620"
                              target="_blank">Software Updater not
                              notifying</a>, though I don't know which
                            of his three references he is drawing that
                            from.<br>
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                            @BrendanP: update-notifier is used to issue
                            the reboot reminder, so that is a related
                            issue.<br>
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