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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Phill.<br>
<br>
I can be dense at any time of the day, and it's late here now, so
the risks are even higher.<br>
<br>
But: The Release Notes and links on that point (/etc/xdg/autostart
shortcuts don't work) seem both succinct and broad enough, but I'm
not seeing that they cover this case. I can get update-notifier
running by several workarounds, but I never get a notification
that updates are available. And it's not due to Phased Updates,
because update-manager shows many Security and Other updates
available.<br>
<br>
If I'm missing your message on this, you'll have to reapproach.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
On 5/14/2014 6:51 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>so the release notes do not state it can take two reboots
(network), and the initial bug points to the second bug which
affects (amongst other) update manager?</div>
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I'm not being picky, but I added that section and would
appreciate how to make it clearer for those people who
actually bother to read them.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Phill.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 14 May 2014 23:38, John Hupp <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
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<div>For nm-applet, Fix #1 at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html"
target="_blank">http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html</a>
worked for me, and Fix #2 slipped from memory.<br>
<br>
But for this problem with update-notifier, *neither* Fix
results in notification of updates.<br>
<br>
Oddly, in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop,
neither<br>
Exec=dbus-launch update-notifier<br>
nor<br>
Exec="dbus-launch update-notifier"<br>
results in a running update-notifier process. <br>
<br>
If from the terminal I run <br>
$ dbus-launch update-notifier<br>
that produces a running process, but as in the previous
post, I get no actual notification of updates.<br>
<br>
Which brings me back around to my current working theory
that bug 1046563 (concerning update-notifier) really is
distinct from the nm-applet bug.
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On 5/14/2014 5:36 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi John (and everyone else),
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<div>This issue is known about and is on the
release notes[1]. It never surprises me that
people never read them :) If you are affected,
simply log onto the bug and click 'Affects Me',
this way you will get updates as the bug
progresses. Rest assured, Julien is on the case
(look at the most recent posts).</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Phill.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 14 May 2014 22:22,
John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
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<div>On 5/13/2014 6:40 PM, brendanperrine
wrote:<br>
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<pre>On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:39:52 -0400
Dale Visser <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dale.visser@live.com" target="_blank"><dale.visser@live.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04
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<pre>Also I think this may be a related issue but if I do update and then have a kernel update then the reminder to restart your computer does not come up.
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<br>
OK, I found out that the first problem is
that update-notifier is supposed to launch
from a shortcut in /etc/xdg/autostart -- the
same location that nm-applet is supposed to
launch from. But it is well known that
nm-applet fails to launch from that location
under 14.04. In fact, nothing will. See <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1309698"
target="_blank">Bug 1309698 - Lubuntu does
not handle /etc/xdg/autostart</a><br>
<br>
If one employs the same workaround as for
nm-applet, manually adding update-notifier
as an autostart app, then update-notifier
appears as a running process.<br>
<br>
*BUT*, I have not yet been prompted to
install any updates. I understand that
update-notifier is supposed to poll for
updates every 180 seconds. So whatever was
at work in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563"
target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563</a>
(starting with 12.04) seems to be failing
here still.<br>
<br>
Some of the Ubuntu-related servers seemed to
be out of commission earlier today, so maybe
that comes into play also.<br>
<br>
I see that some people have gotten results
with update-notifier. I don't know what may
be different here. This is on a laptop, so
some default settings may be different than
for desktops.<br>
<br>
<hr size="2" width="100%"><br>
On another point from my original post --
the difference between updates offered by
update-manager vs. apt-get -- I found out
that update-manager respects the Phased
Updates mentioned earlier by Dale Visser,
and apt-get (and Synaptic) do not. They
will offer everything that has been
released. See bapoumba's post at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325&page=5&p=13018620#post13018620"
target="_blank">Software Updater not
notifying</a>, though I don't know which
of his three references he is drawing that
from.<br>
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<hr size="2" width="100%"><br>
@BrendanP: update-notifier is used to issue
the reboot reminder, so that is a related
issue.<br>
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