Kubuntu Website Sprint

Sat Feb 28 13:10:40 UTC 2015

I'm going to cut myself with a blunt tool over the Internet setup and
microphone available in this laboratory. If I don't devise something to
connect my laptop to Ethernet (Wi-Fi's still down after power outage and
I'm not in control of it) or find a decent headset (I'm not even dreaming
of a camera), I'll be available when I'm home (i.e. after 15:15 CET).

2015-02-28 13:01 GMT+01:00 Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN <ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com>:

>  In about an hour please join me here:
> https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint
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>
>
> În ziua de Sîm 28 Feb 2015, la 12:42:34, Paweł Abramowicz a scris:
>
> > Sorry, I didn't notice the moment we went from the kubuntu-devel to
> private
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> > with devel as the second recipient.
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> >
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> > Electricity is back up, but Internet connection is still not reliable.
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> > 28 lut 2015 11:59 "Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN" <ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com>
> napisał(a):
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> >
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> > > Please use the reply to all function from now on.
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > I'm sending this so the Mail list can keep track of our conversation.
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > În ziua de Sîm 28 Feb 2015, la 10:28:01, Paweł Abramowicz a scris:
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> > >
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> > > > Ugh, whole University district is out of electricity. I'll notify you
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> > > when
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> > >
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> > > > I get anything to power my laptop and connect it to the Internet.
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> > >
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> > > > 28 lut 2015 02:45 "Paweł Abramowicz" <pawelabrams at gmail.com>
> napisał(a):
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > A video chat is fine, I'm available from 11:00 UTC to 16:00 UTC
> (12-17
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> > >
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> > > > > CET) with a 15 min break around 14 UTC to get back home from job
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> > > (which is
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> > >
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> > > > > of wait-until-something-breaks-administration, so yes, I can accept
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> > > calls
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> > >
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> > > > > during work). I prefer Skype and web-based technologies; as you
> are a
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> > > GMail
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> > >
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> > > > > user, too, we can talk via Google Hangouts, or just determine
> details
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> > > there.
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > I haven't mentioned that, but I would rather use Breeze
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> > >
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> > > > > (plasma-next-icons) where available - and seek/ask for fitting
> icons
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> > > for
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> > >
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> > > > > where we can't choose one of them. It just adds to the consistency
> with
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> > >
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> > > > > general look and feel with the system, which is a good thing - you
> can
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> > >
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> > > > > always tell if you're on Kubuntu website, if it looks as Kubuntu
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> > > itself.
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> > >
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> > > > > Another reason is that the prospective user can determine if they
> like
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> > > the
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> > >
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> > > > > default UI or they should start looking for customisations as soon
> as
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> > > they
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> > >
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> > > > > start download ;)
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > Oh, and I forgot to say I've developed themes for Wordpress, so
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> > > anything I
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> > >
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> > > > > present as a sketch can be made into a Worpress theme; maybe
> without
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> > > the
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> > >
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> > > > > shiny admin panel where you can change almost everything, but
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> > > certainly a
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> > >
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> > > > > good integration with all the needed options can be done.
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > 2015-02-28 0:15 GMT+01:00 Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN <
> ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com>:
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > >> What would you say we have a Video chat tomorrow and discuss this?
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> I've already had a few plans on how to achieve what you've said,
> bit
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> > > with
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> > >
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> > > > >> the Advertica Lite theme. There still are a lot of pieces to be
> put
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> > >
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> > > > >> toghether though.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> I've got a friend of mine do design some new icons and pictures
> for
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> > > the
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> > >
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> > > > >> site.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> Tell me when you can meet.
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> În ziua de Joi 26 Feb 2015, la 21:50:21, Paweł Abramowicz a scris:
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Nah, it really *is* "tl".
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > So tl;dr:
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Advertica Lite good for a news site, which might be different
> from
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> > > the
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> > >
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> > > > >> main landing site.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Landing site should contain "call-to-action": a simplified way
> to
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> > >
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> > > > >> download Kubuntu; feature tour should either be a cta or be the
> main
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> > > page.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Not included in original message: people scroll more, click less
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> > > than
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> > >
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> > > > >> before [citation needed, although I've seen some research on
> this].
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Good examples of distro sites: http://www.ubuntu.com/ ;
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> > >
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> > > > >> http://elementary.io/ ; good for its purposes:
> https://getfedora.org/
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> > > ;
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> > >
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> > > > >> good usability, not quite good design: http://www.linuxmint.com/
> (not
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> > >
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> > > > >> incl. in orig.) ; BAD EXAMPLES: https://www.archlinux.org/ ;
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> > >
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> > > > >> https://www.debian.org/ .
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Make it more vivid ( ;) ) by showing a photo with a
> Kubuntu-running
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> > >
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> > > > >> Linux in a good-looking environment.
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> > > > >> >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > And yeah, I forgot to mention mobiles: instead of call to
> download -
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> > >
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> > > > >> "let us send you an e-mail with a download link".
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> > > > >> > Everything for now, I think.
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> > > > >> > 2015-02-26 21:48 GMT+01:00 Paweł Abramowicz <
> pawelabrams at gmail.com
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> > > >:
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Hey,
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > This is Paweł 'Avras' Abramowicz here, the Quintasan's flatmate
> from
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> > >
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> > > > >> earlier discussion; together with a bunch of my friends we're
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> > > designing
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> > >
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> > > > >> websites for some time now.
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> >
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> > > > >> > To add my two pennies worth; I see Advertica Lite as a very
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> > > refreshing
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> > >
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> > > > >> proposal, but as it is a multi-purpose theme, it would need some
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> > > serious
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> > >
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> > > > >> tweaking to fit Kubuntu perfectly. Its text pages are really good,
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> > > and it
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> > >
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> > > > >> would be a neat theme for Kubuntu News, obviously, but rearranging
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> > > the tour
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> > >
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> > > > >> and main page using Wordpress and Wordpress only (even with theme
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> > > options,
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> > >
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> > > > >> but without struggling with editing the theme's CSS and PHP) might
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> > > prove
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> > >
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> > > > >> difficult. I have minor concerns about the parallax, too; it must
> be
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> > > done
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> > >
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> > > > >> right to achieve any effect, and not just be a pure decoration –
> and
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> > > when
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> > >
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> > > > >> it is, it must be a bit more subtle.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > Browsing through other distros' sites I've observed a few
> features
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> > >
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> > > > >> worth discussing. I'll drop the links on the end of my e-mail.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > To start with, the first page a potential user sees of Ubuntu
> [1],
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> > >
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> > > > >> Elementary OS [2] or even Fedora [3] to some extent, are
> optimised for
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> > >
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> > > > >> newcomers; they have either a feature tour right on the first
> page, or
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> > >
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> > > > >> there is a big button (or, as marketers say, a Call-To-Action) to
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> > > download
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> > >
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> > > > >> or see for yourself if you are not yet convinced. Debian [4]
> tried,
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> > > but the
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> > >
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> > > > >> only thing they did is a white button, not big enough for a
> 1366x768
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> > >
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> > > > >> screen, not to mention Full HD ones.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > There is a trend to delegate the news section to a dedicated
> blog
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> > > [2n],
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> > >
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> > > > >> [3n]. It might be a fad, but I think it's a good idea, and you can
>
> > > use a
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> > >
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> > > > >> distinct, but similar theme for the blog. I think that's where
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> > > Advertica
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> > >
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> > > > >> Lite should go, as its typography is perfect, but the landing
> page is
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> > > not
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> > >
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> > > > >> convincing enough. A different look for a news site allows for a
> few
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> > >
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> > > > >> modifications, too; you can expose RSS feed and category listings,
>
> > > and hide
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> > >
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> > > > >> irrelevant options from the menu. The main page and the rest of
> the
>
> > > site is
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> > >
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> > > > >> mostly about visuals; the news site is all about text.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > The question if Advertica Lite won't just be maintaining a
> status
>
> > > quo
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> > >
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> > > > >> in people's reaction (except from the change from "oh, it's old"
> to
>
> > > "oh,
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> > >
>
> > > > >> it's new") is not about what it does right, but about what it
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> > > doesn't, and
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> > >
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> > > > >> what's wrong that it doesn't avoid. It's basically another do-all
>
> > > news site
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> > >
>
> > > > >> without a strong feeling of what you should do next. I know
> Kubuntu
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> > > is not
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> a commercial project, and we don't need to bait people into buying
>
> > >
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> > > > >> anything, but it would be beneficial even for a veteran user to
> have a
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> > >
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> > > > >> visual cue to locate the download button; the download process
> itself
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> > >
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> > > > >> should be straight-forward and amount of clicks needed should be
>
> > > minimised.
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> > >
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> > > > >> A new release, or just a current number of a version the download
>
> > > button
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> > >
>
> > > > >> points to, should be easy to spot. The intent of the page – here,
> we
>
> > > have
>
> > >
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> > > > >> the best Linux for both casual and experienced users, that is
> good for
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> > >
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> > > > >> every environment – should be clear.
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > The bad practices are now easy to point in ArchLinux' site[5] -
> a
>
> > > KISS
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> > >
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> > > > >> distro that has a reddit-type, complex website, where there is
> only
>
> > > one
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> download button, hidden from plain sight. Debian[4] is not good
>
> > > either -
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> > >
>
> > > > >> it's engineer's interpretation of good practices in design, that
>
> > > turned out
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> > >
>
> > > > >> badly. The 16-colour-palette blue is not a pleasant hue, the
> download
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> > >
>
> > > > >> call-to-action is tiny on Full HD screens, and while the site is
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> responsive, it is certainly not mobile-friendly (links are densely
>
> > > packed,
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> > >
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> > > > >> the colors are too contrasting and hurt eyes in the long run).
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> >
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> > To end on a positive note, there are a few features worth using
> :)
>
> > > The
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> > >
>
> > > > >> double menu (static big one in header and fixed top when scrolled
>
> > > down) is
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> a good idea, but its execution could be a bit better [6]. The
> header
>
> > > image
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> is OK, but it can contain a call-to-action within it,
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> --
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >> GeekAliens.com <http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com>
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> > >
>
> > > > >>
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> > >
>
> > > > >> Kubuntu România
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > --
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> > >
>
> > > Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN
>
> > >
>
> > > GeekAliens.com <http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com>
>
> > >
>
> > > Kubuntu România
>
> > >
>
>
> --
>
> Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN
>
> GeekAliens.com <http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com>
>
> Kubuntu România
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