<div dir="ltr">I'm going to cut myself with a blunt tool over the Internet setup and microphone available in this laboratory. If I don't devise something to connect my laptop to Ethernet (Wi-Fi's still down after power outage and I'm not in control of it) or find a decent headset (I'm not even dreaming of a camera), I'll be available when I'm home (i.e. after 15:15 CET).</div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-28 13:01 GMT+01:00 Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN <<a href="mailto:ovidiu.b13@gmail.com" target="_blank">ovidiu.b13@gmail.com</a>>: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="font-family:'Oxygen-Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"> In about an hour please join me here: <a href="https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint" target="_blank">https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint</a> În ziua de Sîm 28 Feb 2015, la 12:42:34, Paweł Abramowicz a scris:<div><div class="h5"> > Sorry, I didn't notice the moment we went from the kubuntu-devel to private > with devel as the second recipient. > > Electricity is back up, but Internet connection is still not reliable. > 28 lut 2015 11:59 "Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN" <<a href="mailto:ovidiu.b13@gmail.com" target="_blank">ovidiu.b13@gmail.com</a>> napisał(a): > > > Please use the reply to all function from now on. > > > > > > > > I'm sending this so the Mail list can keep track of our conversation. > > > > > > > > În ziua de Sîm 28 Feb 2015, la 10:28:01, Paweł Abramowicz a scris: > > > > > Ugh, whole University district is out of electricity. I'll notify you > > when > > > > > I get anything to power my laptop and connect it to the Internet. > > > > > 28 lut 2015 02:45 "Paweł Abramowicz" <<a href="mailto:pawelabrams@gmail.com" target="_blank">pawelabrams@gmail.com</a>> napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > A video chat is fine, I'm available from 11:00 UTC to 16:00 UTC (12-17 > > > > > > CET) with a 15 min break around 14 UTC to get back home from job > > (which is > > > > > > of wait-until-something-breaks-administration, so yes, I can accept > > calls > > > > > > during work). I prefer Skype and web-based technologies; as you are a > > GMail > > > > > > user, too, we can talk via Google Hangouts, or just determine details > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't mentioned that, but I would rather use Breeze > > > > > > (plasma-next-icons) where available - and seek/ask for fitting icons > > for > > > > > > where we can't choose one of them. It just adds to the consistency with > > > > > > general look and feel with the system, which is a good thing - you can > > > > > > always tell if you're on Kubuntu website, if it looks as Kubuntu > > itself. > > > > > > Another reason is that the prospective user can determine if they like > > the > > > > > > default UI or they should start looking for customisations as soon as > > they > > > > > > start download ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and I forgot to say I've developed themes for Wordpress, so > > anything I > > > > > > present as a sketch can be made into a Worpress theme; maybe without > > the > > > > > > shiny admin panel where you can change almost everything, but > > certainly a > > > > > > good integration with all the needed options can be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-02-28 0:15 GMT+01:00 Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN <<a href="mailto:ovidiu.b13@gmail.com" target="_blank">ovidiu.b13@gmail.com</a>>: > > > > > > > > > > > >> What would you say we have a Video chat tomorrow and discuss this? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I've already had a few plans on how to achieve what you've said, bit > > with > > > > > >> the Advertica Lite theme. There still are a lot of pieces to be put > > > > > >> toghether though. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I've got a friend of mine do design some new icons and pictures for > > the > > > > > >> site. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Tell me when you can meet. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> În ziua de Joi 26 Feb 2015, la 21:50:21, Paweł Abramowicz a scris: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Nah, it really *is* "tl". > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > So tl;dr: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Advertica Lite good for a news site, which might be different from > > the > > > > > >> main landing site. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Landing site should contain "call-to-action": a simplified way to > > > > > >> download Kubuntu; feature tour should either be a cta or be the main > > page. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Not included in original message: people scroll more, click less > > than > > > > > >> before [citation needed, although I've seen some research on this]. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Good examples of distro sites: <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a> ; > > > > > >> <a href="http://elementary.io/" target="_blank">http://elementary.io/</a> ; good for its purposes: <a href="https://getfedora.org/" target="_blank">https://getfedora.org/</a> > > ; > > > > > >> good usability, not quite good design: <a href="http://www.linuxmint.com/" target="_blank">http://www.linuxmint.com/</a> (not > > > > > >> incl. in orig.) ; BAD EXAMPLES: <a href="https://www.archlinux.org/" target="_blank">https://www.archlinux.org/</a> ; > > > > > >> <a href="https://www.debian.org/" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/</a> . > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Make it more vivid ( ;) ) by showing a photo with a Kubuntu-running > > > > > >> Linux in a good-looking environment. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > And yeah, I forgot to mention mobiles: instead of call to download - > > > > > >> "let us send you an e-mail with a download link". > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Everything for now, I think. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > 2015-02-26 21:48 GMT+01:00 Paweł Abramowicz <<a href="mailto:pawelabrams@gmail.com" target="_blank">pawelabrams@gmail.com</a> > > >: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hey, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This is Paweł 'Avras' Abramowicz here, the Quintasan's flatmate from > > > > > >> earlier discussion; together with a bunch of my friends we're > > designing > > > > > >> websites for some time now. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To add my two pennies worth; I see Advertica Lite as a very > > refreshing > > > > > >> proposal, but as it is a multi-purpose theme, it would need some > > serious > > > > > >> tweaking to fit Kubuntu perfectly. Its text pages are really good, > > and it > > > > > >> would be a neat theme for Kubuntu News, obviously, but rearranging > > the tour > > > > > >> and main page using Wordpress and Wordpress only (even with theme > > options, > > > > > >> but without struggling with editing the theme's CSS and PHP) might > > prove > > > > > >> difficult. I have minor concerns about the parallax, too; it must be > > done > > > > > >> right to achieve any effect, and not just be a pure decoration – and > > when > > > > > >> it is, it must be a bit more subtle. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Browsing through other distros' sites I've observed a few features > > > > > >> worth discussing. I'll drop the links on the end of my e-mail. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To start with, the first page a potential user sees of Ubuntu [1], > > > > > >> Elementary OS [2] or even Fedora [3] to some extent, are optimised for > > > > > >> newcomers; they have either a feature tour right on the first page, or > > > > > >> there is a big button (or, as marketers say, a Call-To-Action) to > > download > > > > > >> or see for yourself if you are not yet convinced. Debian [4] tried, > > but the > > > > > >> only thing they did is a white button, not big enough for a 1366x768 > > > > > >> screen, not to mention Full HD ones. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > There is a trend to delegate the news section to a dedicated blog > > [2n], > > > > > >> [3n]. It might be a fad, but I think it's a good idea, and you can > > use a > > > > > >> distinct, but similar theme for the blog. I think that's where > > Advertica > > > > > >> Lite should go, as its typography is perfect, but the landing page is > > not > > > > > >> convincing enough. A different look for a news site allows for a few > > > > > >> modifications, too; you can expose RSS feed and category listings, > > and hide > > > > > >> irrelevant options from the menu. The main page and the rest of the > > site is > > > > > >> mostly about visuals; the news site is all about text. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The question if Advertica Lite won't just be maintaining a status > > quo > > > > > >> in people's reaction (except from the change from "oh, it's old" to > > "oh, > > > > > >> it's new") is not about what it does right, but about what it > > doesn't, and > > > > > >> what's wrong that it doesn't avoid. It's basically another do-all > > news site > > > > > >> without a strong feeling of what you should do next. I know Kubuntu > > is not > > > > > >> a commercial project, and we don't need to bait people into buying > > > > > >> anything, but it would be beneficial even for a veteran user to have a > > > > > >> visual cue to locate the download button; the download process itself > > > > > >> should be straight-forward and amount of clicks needed should be > > minimised. > > > > > >> A new release, or just a current number of a version the download > > button > > > > > >> points to, should be easy to spot. The intent of the page – here, we > > have > > > > > >> the best Linux for both casual and experienced users, that is good for > > > > > >> every environment – should be clear. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The bad practices are now easy to point in ArchLinux' site[5] - a > > KISS > > > > > >> distro that has a reddit-type, complex website, where there is only > > one > > > > > >> download button, hidden from plain sight. Debian[4] is not good > > either - > > > > > >> it's engineer's interpretation of good practices in design, that > > turned out > > > > > >> badly. The 16-colour-palette blue is not a pleasant hue, the download > > > > > >> call-to-action is tiny on Full HD screens, and while the site is > > > > > >> responsive, it is certainly not mobile-friendly (links are densely > > packed, > > > > > >> the colors are too contrasting and hurt eyes in the long run). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To end on a positive note, there are a few features worth using :) > > The > > > > > >> double menu (static big one in header and fixed top when scrolled > > down) is > > > > > >> a good idea, but its execution could be a bit better [6]. The header > > image > > > > > >> is OK, but it can contain a call-to-action within it, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN > > > > > >> > > > > > >> GeekAliens.com <<a href="http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com" target="_blank">http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com</a>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kubuntu România > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN > > > > GeekAliens.com <<a href="http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com" target="_blank">http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com</a>> > > > > Kubuntu România > > -- Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN <a href="http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com" target="_blank">GeekAliens.com</a> Kubuntu România</div></div></div></blockquote></div> </div>