[xubuntu-users] Software Updater package?

[David Walland]

Dear Ralf,

I'm a complete Newbie on this list and to X/Ubuntu really.  My only
previous experience is when I worked for a while recycling computers from
the UK to Africa in 2004/5.  We loaded these with Ubuntu then and I was
introduced to the declared reasons for Ubuntu - to make a computer OS
available to all and open source.

Now that "available to all" does mean adding bells and whistles which
resemble Windows or OS, simply because "all" implies a vast number of
people who do not have any knowledge of the inside of a computer or an
operating system.  That is, the intention is to be inclusive of these
people, not exclude them because they happen to have either no ability or
no time to learn what goes on inside their computer and its operating
system.  I'm something like 30 years out of date, so I'm struggling, even
though I know about 8 bit computers and their architecture.

Yes "all" *must* also include those like yourself who really know their way
around inside a modern computer, otherwise there'll be no X/Ubuntu project;
but it still has to be open even wider than at present or the whole
*social* purpose is lost.  I'm all for a double layer approach, so I can
get on-board easily then learn more and more until I too don't need these
interface gadgets.  They have to be there, but they have to promote
learning too and to that degree you're probably right.  As things stand
they may well not be doing that - but if so, the answer is surely to
improve them, not delete them?

Regards,

David Walland


On 28 September 2013 09:38, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 07:38 +0100, Elfy wrote:
> > Elfy
> > --
> > Ubuntu Forum Council Member
> > Xubuntu QA Lead#
>
> Sure, a package never asked to reboot. IMO you shouldn't add crap like
> update-manager. The bad with such "tools" is, that people likely will do
> upgrades without taking care what the upgrades will do, so they never
> will learn what self-responsibility is and what software is needed for
> what task, they never will learn how to setup Linux userspace to their
> needs. This odd approach is new to Linux and completely against what
> Linux stands for. Regarding o this new approach my main distro for years
> is Arch Linux and I consider to completely drop other distros such as
> Xubuntu/Ubuntu Studio, that make this step in the completely wrong
> direction.
>
> Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle ! IOW don't add
> complex and buggy software that in addition is responsible for users who
> never will learn how to customize a Linux.
>
> Don't guess what's best for the users, but show them how they can decide
> on their own.
>
> It's a pity/shame that this approach infiltrates Linux.
>
> Don't use this tool or that tool to setup Linux, use an editor and edit
> this file and that file!
>
> Don't upgrade, because upgrades are available! Take a look at the
> packages and be aware what they are for and then decide what to do!
>
> Stop all this nonsense!
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> PS: Again to Ubuntu Studio! Why using two sound servers in combination?
>
> PPS to both lists: What do you want provide, a less good fake of
> Microsoft and Apple or something better? Neither fish nor fowl is
> idiotic! Stay to the origin policy of Linux! Stop this crap!
>
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