[TEAM] Gathering "testimonials" for marketing purposes

Mark F azdays15 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 22 22:09:31 UTC 2016

Thanks for replying, Jack. Maybe I misunderstood what's involved with
MintX. In what way is not pure Xfce? I looked at xfce.org and they show a
different-appearing desktop than MintX or Xubuntu.

I thought it was more a matter of default configuration, choices about
application categories, making something more or less intuitive (and,
whether "intuitive" is targeting a larger group, novices, etc.).

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Jack Jr. <jacksulmail at gmail.com> wrote:

>   Friends,
>   I like Xubuntu with pure XFCE.
>   Xubuntu is as pure as Debian with XFCE with the advantage of being an
> Ubuntu flavor
>   I think Xubuntu perfect the way it is
> Thanks
> Jack Pogorelsky Junior
> Mechanical Engineer
> Tel: +55 (51) 9348-0140
> Site: sulmail.com/pogorelsky
> E-mail: jack at sulmail.com
> Em 22/08/2016 16:28, Mark F escreveu:
> I'm a new Xubuntu user. I've been using Lubuntu for over a year. I saw
> this topic in the mailing-list archives and thought this post (questions,
> observations) might be welcome here. I think it ties into marketing?
> I looked at Mint Xfce and, to be honest, I like it *much* more. The only
> reason I went with Xubuntu is the larger community of support (Ubuntu's
> forums). I'd rather try to make Xubuntu better than to contribute to a fork.
> What I'm wondering is whether you guys ever evaluate Mint Xfce and
> consider evolving the desktop in that direction? Is it ever even discussed?
> (Is there a way to find a past discussion like that in the mailing-list
> archive?).
> For example:
> - Wisker menu progresses right to left (categories are on right open to
> reveal contents on the left). Using MintX, right-to-left stood out to me
> immediately as more intuitive.
> - Right/left clicking on taskbar entries seems unintuitive to me. It seems
> like left clicks are passed through the applet and into the underlying
> taskbar. (Right clicks access the applet's options?). MintX seems to have
> addressed this. It works differently.
> - Wisker menu's categories automatically reveal content by mousing over
> each one. (No click required).
> - How is inclusion into Wisker's "Settings" and "System" chosen? It's like
> everything is in Settings. I'm not sure I could differentiate between those
> two categories. But, it seems like no differentiation is occuring. (But, it
> is because two items are in "System.").
> - A lot of things seem unintuitive to me. What's called "[Distro] Software
> Center" in other distros is just "Software" in Xubuntu. It's in the
> "Favorites" category, not in "System" nor "Settings."
> - The "Software" tool seems very slow and uninformative compared to
> Lubuntu's "Software Center" (And MintX's). I tried to install Keepass2,
> which was available in Lubutu's software center. It's not in Xubuntu's.
> - I found a Keepass package, but it made me authenticate with my Ubuntu
> single-signon. It wouldn't authenticate me, giving a repeated error (even
> though I can login to the Ubuntu One site). I like the goal behind this.
> But, it's a free package. I shouldn't have to go through these hurdles.
> It's a *big* problem if I can't access my passwords in a new install.
> - Menu bar on top. Not easy to figure out how to put it on the bottom. Not
> "mainstream" if you're trying to appeal to new users (familiar with
> Windows)?
> So, I'm just wondering (in terms of marketing, appealing to more users),
> has this topic ever come up before? Evaluating what draws people to other
> Xfce environments? What the others are doing right? Why they chose to fork
> (and duplicate efforts)? Would it make sense to solicit surveys (instead of
> testimonials)?
> I hope this doesn't sound like I'm complaining. I understand no desktop
> will meet everyone's needs. But, this thread implies outreach, seeking to
> gain popularity. MintX seems more popular (according to distrowatch?). I'm
> just wondering if this discussion has ever occurred? (I.e., should Xubuntu
> try to incorporate any of MintX's features?).
> Is it possible to install MintX's desktop in Xubuntu? Would it make sense
> to offer that desktop more clearly (or a desktop made specifically to be
> more like MintX, so people who might choose that distro could more easily
> choose Xubuntu?).
> Again, I hope I'm not causing a problem. This topic seemed to be about
> advocacy, increasing relevancy. Since I've just been comparing Xfce
> desktops, the topic of "why is Xubuntu's desktop the way it is?" seemed
> like a natural question. It makes me wonder if anyone has gone back to
> "square one" and questioned everything. (When I see everything lumped into
> "Settings," I get the impression that discussion hasn't occured. The
> desktop is just an evolution and hasn't been re-thought from the ground
> up?).
> I look forward to reading responses. I just feel like something is
> missing. Ubuntu has the support and immediacy of security patches. But,
> Mint has the appeal to new users (IMO). I just wonder if anyone has tried
> to bridge that gap.
> Thanks!
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