Feature Freeze approaching

Lionel Le Folgoc lionel at lefolgoc.net
Wed Aug 26 12:42:10 UTC 2009

(Cc'ing back Jarno Suni as he wrote he wasn't a list member)


On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 02:14:21PM +0200, Steve Dodier wrote:
> Considering this bug, we need to make sure that the default behaviour is :
> - when resuming from suspend / hibernate or when resuming from volunteer
> screen lock, the user is prompted his/her password regardless of whether
> automatic login is activated.

This is already done by xfce4-power-manager.

By the way, Cody, did you talk with cjwatson about your "gdm-legacy"
package? Afaik, autologin config has changed before 2.20 and 2.26, so
the option in ubiquity should be fixed/hidden for Xubuntu.

> Cody, does PolicyKit include such things as when the screen should be locked
> ? If so, the problem should fix itself once we implemented proper PolicyKit
> support in xfce4-session / power-manager, which is something I think we will
> work on Karmic+1.

I don't think so (policykit is only a toolkit to control privileges for
system services), a screensaver has to be explicitely called. This is done
by xfce4-power-manager, not by xfce4-session, and its upstream maintainer
wrote that this is a "Won't Fix" and that xfce4-session 4.8 will rely on
xfce4-power-manager for suspend/hibernate functions.

> Regarding the screensaver, gnome-screensaver now depends on gnome-session,
> and if this can not be fixed, it should be dropped ASAP. And I think that it
> would be more profitable to try to make xscreensaver's dialog better (that
> is to say fix system theming + a11y issues) than to keep gnome-screensaver,
> because :
> - the xscreensaver author, of which g-screensaver is a fork, claims that
> g-screensaver may not be secure
> - xscreensaver is maintained by someone who is interested in a stable,
> secure and cross-platform screensaver, while g-screensaver is maintained by
> developers who primarily address the needs of the GNOME users, sometimes
> regardless of the needs of other users of particular software. While I can
> perfectly understand that, it means future releases of gnome software are
> always less reliable than from other authors (this reminds me of a blogpost
> that i unfortunately lost, from a GNOME developer stating that GNOME needs
> to learn to take the habit to say when they do changes that can have bad
> consequences for their users, which they currently don't and which you learn
> of once things are there).

+1. Imho, we are going to discover more unexpected issues after the release
because of the "let's-make-everything-rely-on-gnome-session" idea anyway…


> 2009/8/21 Jarno Suni <jarno.suni at iki.fi>
> > Hi
> >
> > I suggest that you make tray icon default whatever power manager is
> > chosen; by that you can suspend/hibernate so that screen is locked in
> > resume. (See also
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/121737)
> > xfce4-power-manager (0.6.2) is better in that it can launch whatever
> > locking utility determined in xflock4. gnome-power-manager can lock by
> > gnome-screensaver only (and needs the respective daemon running).
> >
> > xinitrc prefers to start xscreensaver daemon, if it is installed
> > (instead of gnome-screensaver daemon). IHMO it would be better to
> > change that to prevent from surprises in Xfce session after user
> > installs xscreensaver (by installing e.g. lxde besides
> > xubuntu-desktop). That is: patch xinitrc to start certain Xubuntu's
> > default screensaver daemon, even if both xscreensaver and
> > gnome-screensaver are installed. I vote for gnome-screensaver;
> > xscreensaver seems to show too much (=some pop-up messages) even in
> > locked state and has less features.
> >
> > My experiences are from Xubuntu 9.04.
> >
> > I am not a member in the mailing list.
> >
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