Most ideal way to autostart processes

[Jani Monoses]

Mario Limonciello wrote:
> Jani,
> 
> Thanks for the quick response.  See nested responses below:
> 
> Jani Monoses wrote:
> 
>> Yes, thunar is started by startxfce4 and the volume manager is launched 
>> by thunar automatically when needed.
>>
>> It is set to do so in /etc/xdg/Thunar/thunarrc
> 
> Since we are forcing our XDG directory to /etc/xdg/mythbuntu/, we'll
> probably need an /etc/xdg/mythbuntu/Thunar/thunarrc i'm guessing right?
> 
>> This should be working, /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc tries g-s-s then x-s-s if 
>> the former is not available. If you have the latest xfce4-utils and 
>> g-s-s is not started it is a bug that needs to be looked at.
>>
> Again since we have an /etc/xdg/mythbuntu, which xinitrc really gets used?

XDG dirs is a colon separated list of paths, can you not reuse Xfce 
stuff in /etc/xdg and only override from /etc/xdg/mythbuntu ?
In /usr/bin/startxfce4 we set such an override:

XDG_DATA_DIRS="etc/xdg/xubuntu:usr/share
we need it for default mimetype-app associations other than the Ubuntu ones.


> 
>>> == Network Manager ==
>>> We wanted to use network-manager-gnome for providing wireless
>>> functionality to those that wanted it.  We added it to
>>> /etc/xdg/mythbuntu/autostart (The XDG directory that we are starting
>>> things with is /etc/xdg/mythbuntu).  This works out as expected, but if
>>> the user has an option to save the session checked, more of these
>>> processes are started every time around.  Any way to avoid that?
>>>
>> We'll add nm to default xubuntu, automatic start in Xfce needs this 
>> patch uploaded, hopefully the maintainer is on it.
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/95064
>>
>> I was holding off including it by default blocked on another patch that 
>> gets rid of gnome deps in nm, but since it takes too long to be reviewed 
>> we might just add it the next couple of days.
>>
> 
> Great, glad to hear it will be showing up in xubuntu.  What about
> xubuntu-system-tools though?  It looks like it was in the archive but is
> now gone.  It provided network-admin i thought for "Manual
> configuration" of Xfce.
> 

been replaced by gnome-system-tools now that this is no longer dependent 
on libgnome. x-s-t was built from same source package with a 
--disable-config optin that is no longer needed.


>> Are you using gdm and a desktop 
file in /usr/share/xsessions?
>> If so, I think a wrapper around startxfce4 as you have it here is the 
>> way to go.
> 
> Yeah we are.  Any other items that should go into the wrapper script
> and/or be changed you think?
> 

I think it is fine as it is, but you'll probably see things that need 
adjusting. I'd say if possible reuse as much of the xubuntu startup 
scripts, and chnge XDG en vars in the wrapper script.

What are the things you use XDG disrs for?

>> Again, I am glad you picked Xfce and hopefully we'll get a better 
>> maintained desktop now a new bunch of devs have joined the party :)
> 
> Yeah, i'm glad too.  I hadn't realized how great Xfce was until we
> started to migrate over :)
> 

nice :)

>> BTW which Xubuntu apps have you dropped and what Ubuntu or other 
>> universe apps are you using?
> 
> Our seeds are very different than most standard desktop seeds, since we
> focus around a PVR box.  At this point the xfce dependencies that are in
> the seed are
> 
> 
> XFCE Based Stuff
>  * thunar
>  * (xfce4-icon-theme)
>  * xfce4-mcs-manager
>  * xfce4-mcs-plugins
>  * xfce4-panel
>  * xfce4-session
>  * xfce4-utils
>  * xfdesktop4
>  * xfwm4
>  * (xfwm4-themes)
>  * xfce4-mixer
>  * xfce4-terminal
> 
> 
> 
> One more question.  Update-notifier, should it be coming up from that
> xinitrc as well?

I intend to add that to default xubutu as well. It then should be 
started as any othe XDG autostart app.

Jani