Xubuntu issues (Re: GNOME dependencies)
Cody A.W. Somerville
cody-somerville at ubuntu.com
Fri Aug 17 01:38:18 UTC 2007
It has certainly been very interesting to read this thread; I'm happy to
see some of the key issues that plague us being highlighted. However, I'm
sad to realize that this has most likely been the most productive ml thread
on xubuntu-devel in sometime. What is even more disappointing for me is the
self-realization that a number of the these issues are my fault. I feel like
I came in, created a buzz, and although I couldn't control the
circumstances, I was unable to carry things through. I can't help but feel
like I could have made it easier for others to get involved by writing
documentation/tutorials on the wiki while I was in a position to do so.
Community is viral and, if properly guided, can bloom into something amazing
- evident with a large number of successful OSS projects. With the Xubuntu
community, it has grown but simply not flourished like it could. A big, big
thanks to people like Jim Campbell, Freddy Martinez, Vincent & Adam, and
other friends who have made visible, and powerful strides within our
How can we fix this? Well, Ubuntu already has tons of documentation on how
to get involved. A lot of people aren't aware that these documents are
wonderful resources for getting involved with Xubuntu and other people want
documentations that shows them how they can get involved with Xubuntu
specifically (though everyone should remember that helping Ubuntu helps
Xubuntu - directly or indirectly). Using the existing documentation, I
believe we can easily meld the gap and make something available to
individuals interested in getting involved with the technical sides of
Xubuntu. When people say "How do I help Xubuntu?" or maybe something more
specific like "How do I help Xubuntu by bug triaging?", we can provide easy
to remember and share links that feature very usable documentation that
smartly links and makes use of existing flavor in-specific documentation. --
This being said, there will ALWAYS be people who want to help out but never
end up making good on that desire.
Another thing I've noticed (and I fall into the same trap) is that people
want to develop software for Xubuntu. Developing Xubuntu is, as Jani
describes, more the managing dependencies and integrating the packages to
provide a stellar desktop experience than the developing of
"single"/individual applications. That is not to say that there is not the
need for people who are skilled coders to apply glue. Kudos to Jani and
Lionel for their amazing work - without them, Xubuntu simply wouldn't be.
Finally, it seems emotions are getting high. Those of us with emotions
running high should take a deep breath. Developing hard feelings and
breeding mistrust is not on the path to success. We're all here to help
develop Xubuntu :)
With all this said, I'm still not in a position to be regularly active like
I used to be (though I hope to be in the fall - fingers crossed). However,
it has always been evident to me that when people get involved and act other
people get involved and act too. Keeping this in mind, I'm going to try to
do more, visible, work - particularly things that I can work on offline/lack
of computer and then upload when I get a chance.
I encourage everyone that is eager to get involved to make it a pledge to
get _actively_ involved with this week. I promise you that once you get
started, it is easy as pie! :) Plus there are tons of resources to help you
get started - the website, the wiki, and IRC.
Cody A.W. Somerville
P.S. Make sure to pass out lots of hugs!
On 8/10/07, Lionel Le Folgoc <mrpouit at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Giuseppe Torelli wrote:
> > On 8/9/07, Jani Monoses <jani.monoses at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Please let me understand. Did you include gnome dependencies in the
> > next Xubuntu Gutsy?
> They came automagically because evince-gtk depends on them, and this
> since the beginning of Gutsy release cycle. I don't remember seeing
> anybody yelling about that, so it seems gnome dependencies are not a
> pain to many people.. or it means that nobody downloaded and tested the
> several Tribes live-cd (btw, that's not very cool for Jim and Freddy who
> ask for testing and try to write release notes).
> In both cases, we may have a problem: IMO, this ML(our meetings) is(are)
> a waste of time. Many people express their opinion, write
> specifications, tell other people what they should do, but do nothing...
> and finally, less than 10 people are doing something, packaging, coding,
> testing, trying to make the best release, and other people are always
> putting on the table the same topic (sylpheed or thunderbird, how great!).
> I don't think xubuntu lack a community, it only lacks active people...
> For example, (almost) nobody does bug triaging for xubuntu. Don't you
> think this would help improving xubuntu and xfce if reported bugs were
> triaged and forwarded upstream? That's an example among many, it does
> not require technical skills, and it's often a good 'trigger' to become
> Ubuntu member and more involved in Ubuntu...
> PS: please don't misinterpret me (and sorry for the sarcasms again), I
> am not blaming anyone, I am blaming us 'as a whole', and I am afraid we
> are going to the same point with the latest endless flamewar (gnome or
> xubuntu-devel mailing list
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