Xubuntu issues (Re: GNOME dependencies)
Cody A.W. Somerville
cody-somerville at ubuntu.com
Fri Aug 17 14:24:25 UTC 2007
I've started the page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/GetInvolved
On 8/16/07, Cody A.W. Somerville <cody-somerville at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> It has certainly been very interesting to read this thread; I'm happy to
> see some of the key issues that plague us being highlighted. However, I'm
> sad to realize that this has most likely been the most productive ml thread
> on xubuntu-devel in sometime. What is even more disappointing for me is the
> self-realization that a number of the these issues are my fault. I feel like
> I came in, created a buzz, and although I couldn't control the
> circumstances, I was unable to carry things through. I can't help but feel
> like I could have made it easier for others to get involved by writing
> documentation/tutorials on the wiki while I was in a position to do so.
> Community is viral and, if properly guided, can bloom into something amazing
> - evident with a large number of successful OSS projects. With the Xubuntu
> community, it has grown but simply not flourished like it could. A big, big
> thanks to people like Jim Campbell, Freddy Martinez, Vincent & Adam, and
> other friends who have made visible, and powerful strides within our
> How can we fix this? Well, Ubuntu already has tons of documentation on how
> to get involved. A lot of people aren't aware that these documents are
> wonderful resources for getting involved with Xubuntu and other people want
> documentations that shows them how they can get involved with Xubuntu
> specifically (though everyone should remember that helping Ubuntu helps
> Xubuntu - directly or indirectly). Using the existing documentation, I
> believe we can easily meld the gap and make something available to
> individuals interested in getting involved with the technical sides of
> Xubuntu. When people say "How do I help Xubuntu?" or maybe something more
> specific like "How do I help Xubuntu by bug triaging?", we can provide easy
> to remember and share links that feature very usable documentation that
> smartly links and makes use of existing flavor in-specific documentation. --
> This being said, there will ALWAYS be people who want to help out but never
> end up making good on that desire.
> Another thing I've noticed (and I fall into the same trap) is that people
> want to develop software for Xubuntu. Developing Xubuntu is, as Jani
> describes, more the managing dependencies and integrating the packages to
> provide a stellar desktop experience than the developing of
> "single"/individual applications. That is not to say that there is not the
> need for people who are skilled coders to apply glue. Kudos to Jani and
> Lionel for their amazing work - without them, Xubuntu simply wouldn't be.
> Finally, it seems emotions are getting high. Those of us with emotions
> running high should take a deep breath. Developing hard feelings and
> breeding mistrust is not on the path to success. We're all here to help
> develop Xubuntu :)
> With all this said, I'm still not in a position to be regularly active
> like I used to be (though I hope to be in the fall - fingers crossed).
> However, it has always been evident to me that when people get involved and
> act other people get involved and act too. Keeping this in mind, I'm going
> to try to do more, visible, work - particularly things that I can work on
> offline/lack of computer and then upload when I get a chance.
> I encourage everyone that is eager to get involved to make it a pledge to
> get _actively_ involved with this week. I promise you that once you get
> started, it is easy as pie! :) Plus there are tons of resources to help you
> get started - the website, the wiki, and IRC.
> Got Xubuntu?
> Cody A.W. Somerville
> P.S. Make sure to pass out lots of hugs!
> On 8/10/07, Lionel Le Folgoc < mrpouit at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Giuseppe Torelli wrote:
> > > On 8/9/07, Jani Monoses < jani.monoses at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20070808/gutsy-desktop-i386.manifest
> > >
> > > Please let me understand. Did you include gnome dependencies in the
> > > next Xubuntu Gutsy?
> > >
> > They came automagically because evince-gtk depends on them, and this
> > since the beginning of Gutsy release cycle. I don't remember seeing
> > anybody yelling about that, so it seems gnome dependencies are not a
> > pain to many people.. or it means that nobody downloaded and tested the
> > several Tribes live-cd (btw, that's not very cool for Jim and Freddy who
> > ask for testing and try to write release notes).
> > In both cases, we may have a problem: IMO, this ML(our meetings) is(are)
> > a waste of time. Many people express their opinion, write
> > specifications, tell other people what they should do, but do nothing...
> > and finally, less than 10 people are doing something, packaging, coding,
> > testing, trying to make the best release, and other people are always
> > putting on the table the same topic (sylpheed or thunderbird, how
> > great!).
> > I don't think xubuntu lack a community, it only lacks active people...
> > For example, (almost) nobody does bug triaging for xubuntu. Don't you
> > think this would help improving xubuntu and xfce if reported bugs were
> > triaged and forwarded upstream? That's an example among many, it does
> > not require technical skills, and it's often a good 'trigger' to become
> > Ubuntu member and more involved in Ubuntu...
> > Cheers,
> > Lionel
> > PS: please don't misinterpret me (and sorry for the sarcasms again), I
> > am not blaming anyone, I am blaming us 'as a whole', and I am afraid we
> > are going to the same point with the latest endless flamewar (gnome or
> > not?)...
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