jwcampbell at gmail.com
Thu Aug 9 20:03:17 UTC 2007
I've forwarded the start of this thread on to the Free Geek Chicago 
mailing list to seek their input. They use Xubuntu on all donated machines,
and all of them are lower hardware - a typical machine is a PII @ 450mhz
with 256MB ram. Every once in a while they'll get a PIII or something, but
they almost never ship a computer out with more than 256mb of RAM.
The apps that go on the machines are xmms, Open Office (yes, they make the
sacrifice) and then some mp3 & flash support. CD burning is not an issue
just because these machines don't have CD burners on them.
I've worked on a number of these machines. They're slow. It's easy to
forget how slow a 450mhz processor really is. Hopefully they'll be able to
provide some good input on their situation.
I would kind of like to see actual figures on how much each additional gnome
library  would take up. Does anyone know of any apps or tools that can
be used to measure the system resources used by a library?
Also, I'm going to be taking an inventory of apps used by several of the
Xfce-based distros listed on distrowatch. I should have that available
shortly, and will post it to the ML.
On 8/9/07, Jani Monoses < jani.monoses at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Obviously there's no easy solution to this problem right now. If Gnome
> > apps have to be installed by default, so be it. I just hope it doesn't
> > become a trend.
> Guys, we cannot all admit that we do not use some of the apps we ship, but
> stick to them and
> force them upon inexperienced users.
> Just for the sake of whatever kind of correctness or out of principle stay
> away from GNOME apps?
> Here are other possible consequences of this hypothetical Xubuntu+GNOME
> apps unification:
> - we share more apps with Ubuntu, thus spend developer time on improving
> them and benefit from
> their developer efforts. Bug triaging efforts are similarly easier. Both
> desktops get better.
> - Xubuntu is a lot closer to a friendly desktop and no it's not "90% GNOME
> OMG!" but same
> lighter desktop with some apps from GNOME but which are only started
> explictly. OpenOffice
> included is not good even as a joke though ;)
> -Since the apps are shared Xubuntu is way more likely to get commercial
> 24/7 support from Canonical or
> companies elsewhere as there's a smaller extra burden of dealing with new
> bugs and use cases.
> That can open a whole new segment of users to it.
> Please let's think of this only in technical terms and user experience
> terms, leaving our developer bias
> and possibly gnome induced traumas of the past at the door ;)
> Again, as in the OP I'd like to hear opinions of deployers of Xubuntu (or
> derivatives). They have more
> close-hand experience with users and can say whether this direction would
> help or annoy them
> We can discuss this all we can on the list, but we're not the typical
> Xubuntu user.
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