[UbuntuWomen] Making Ubuntu-for-all _work_

[Jacinta Richardson]

Melissa Draper wrote:

> Changing the CoC is going to be a touchy and tricky thing to do anyway.

I'm not talking about changing the content of the CoC.  I'm thinking we might be
able to add a link from the CoC to some etiquette guidelines.  Perhaps that's
not easy either, I don't know.  I'm familiar with the content of the CoC, but
not with any other community policies - is there another prominent page that
might link to such?  As someone who is more familiar with this kind of thing,
perhaps you can suggest a good way of integrating this so that people who
honestly want to follow the "be respectful" part of the code can go and read
what "respectful" means in this society?

> Additionally, any change to the CoC would not be a once off just for us
> kind of thing. A full analysis of the document would begin, and the
> whole community would be eligible to suggest changes. It would take a
> fair deal of time to enact. This is not supposed to be a discouragement
> -- rather a fair warning of due process.

I understand this, and I am fully aware that attempting to define "respectful"
will cause issues.  Largely because anything that curtails people's rights to be
asses when they want to be, tends to cause issues.  I'd love community
involvement on what it is to be respectful, although I think it would help if UW
as a whole could present a first draft; or perhaps UFA as a group fully
supported by the Community Council did such.

> On another front, the changes need to be really really really well
> worded, and refrain from using specific examples. When you start using
> any specifics, you need to use *all* specifics. Can you imagine how long
> the document would end up? You'd be planning your retirement before
> anyone finished writing it, let alone the challenge it would be to get
> people to read it at such a length.

I know.

> As a concern to be noted, we should note that the only people obliged to
> respect the CoC are those who have signed it. It is a common frustration
> with those in the IRC channels, for example, that they are subject to
> something they didn't sign up to or agree to. While it is effectively a
> TOS statement, most do not perceive it as such.

How powerful is the Community Council?  If it's made explicit that there is a
TOS (whatever it is), isn't that enough?  People don't have to be involved or
used the Ubuntu IRC channel or mailing lists.

All the best,

	Jacinta

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