Anyone running Server on a Raspberry Pi 4?

[Liam Proven]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 16:32, Tom H <tomh0665 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gnome's more like a sect than a software project. Any criticism is an
> existential threat and is countered accordingly. That's OK; it's its
> developers' free choice.

Eloquent summary!

> As I said earlier, NetworkManager's developer don't behave in this way.

:-)

> The Anaconda and Gnome developers only like their own ideas. That's
> why both projects have been forked.

That's an interesting take. I can't fault it in re GNOME. I didn't
know about a fork of Anaconda, but fair enough...

> Regarding multi-boot, the Anaconda team would probably say that it's
> difficult to get completely right and that's why it dislikes it. Look
> at this list. Didn't someone post a few days ago that he/she couldn't
> access the Windows installation after installing Ubuntu? It happens...

It's certainly hard to _automate_. What surprised me is that I knew
what I was doing, created my own partitions, and then Fedora wouldn't
let me install into them. That was a shock.

As for Win10... It deeply worries me that so many young FOSS coders
are buying the "MS <3 Linux" marketing hype Nadella-era MS is putting
out. I don't believe a word of it. MS is attempting to embrace and
extend Linux in exactly the same was as it did with so many
technologies before, from HTML itself to Java.

> So many?! I'm using NetBSD and OpenBSD for my home servers, Ubuntu on
> my laptop, and I'll get rid of one of the BSDs as soon as I have the
> time to go through a rebuild. Until recently, I also had a Fedora VM,
> for sentimental reasons, but I've dumped it.

:-)

I am always trying new stuff out. When Unity finally falls out of
support on Ubuntu, I will have to switch desktops. It's possible that
I will switch distros at the same time.

XFCE is the current favourite but that doesn't automatically mean Xubuntu.

So, I have been looking at some other distros and desktops. Deepin is
*gorgeous*, definitely the state of the Linux desktop art at the
moment, but an installed system got no updates at all in several
months. That worries me.

Elementary is only skin-deep in its Mac resemblance, and it's not a
good copy of the Mac interface. I think the team took the wrong path
in going with GNOME and Vala. They would have been *much* better off
starting with GNUstep or Étoilé.

Full ZorinOS is just a GNOME 3 skin and I don't see the point. I'd
rather have a more widely-used fork such as Cinnamon. But ZorinOS Lite
is a rather well-done XFCE skin and it works quite well.


> ACK. I guess that its interface is well-suited to an X-less
> installation.

That is my impression, yes.

TBH, on my home test machine, I switched it to NetworkManager instead,
so that it worked better with GUIs.

> But I found wicd convoluted the one time that I tried
> it. If NetworkManager weren't wanted in some situation, I'd prefer
> connman to wicd; I tried it yesterday for the first time (in a VM),
> and I liked its simplicity. On my laptop, I'll stick to NetworkManager
> or to my own scripts.

Sounds reasonable. I don't think I have tried ConnMan, or not recently.

> This was when Unity was the default. I should've proposed to split
> "network-manager" into "network-manager-base" and "network-manager",
> rather than ask whether the "network-manager" dependencies could be
> lightened.

Sounds good... but as George Benson sang, "Hindsight is 20:20 vision."


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