Anyone running Server on a Raspberry Pi 4?

[Tom H]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:31 PM Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 16:32, Tom H <tomh0665 at gmail.com> wrote:


>> The Anaconda and Gnome developers only like their own ideas. That's
>> why both projects have been forked.
>
> That's an interesting take. I can't fault it in re GNOME. I didn't
> know about a fork of Anaconda, but fair enough...

It's called "Calamares." There's an Ubuntu version that uses it.


>> Regarding multi-boot, the Anaconda team would probably say that it's
>> difficult to get completely right and that's why it dislikes it.
>> Look at this list. Didn't someone post a few days ago that he/she
>> couldn't access the Windows installation after installing Ubuntu? It
>> happens...
>
> It's certainly hard to _automate_. What surprised me is that I knew
> what I was doing, created my own partitions, and then Fedora wouldn't
> let me install into them. That was a shock.

The Anaconda developers don't want any bug reports for setting up
manually what they don't allow to set up automatically. They also
don't want to have an "expert" mode, like d-i. It's less code to
write, maintain, and debug.

If you put yourself in the shoes of the Anaconda or Gnome developers,
most of their decisions make sense. They have a bad reputation because
they're absolutely inflexible when users complain about any change,
big or small. It's always "niet." It riles people up and mailing lists
and bugzillas "discussions" always becomes confrontational...


> As for Win10... It deeply worries me that so many young FOSS coders
> are buying the "MS <3 Linux" marketing hype Nadella-era MS is putting
> out. I don't believe a word of it. MS is attempting to embrace and
> extend Linux in exactly the same was as it did with so many
> technologies before, from HTML itself to Java.
>
>> So many?! I'm using NetBSD and OpenBSD for my home servers, Ubuntu on
>> my laptop, and I'll get rid of one of the BSDs as soon as I have the
>> time to go through a rebuild. Until recently, I also had a Fedora VM,
>> for sentimental reasons, but I've dumped it.
>
> :-)
>
> I am always trying new stuff out. When Unity finally falls out of
> support on Ubuntu, I will have to switch desktops. It's possible that
> I will switch distros at the same time.
>
> XFCE is the current favourite but that doesn't automatically mean
> Xubuntu.
>
> So, I have been looking at some other distros and desktops. Deepin is
> *gorgeous*, definitely the state of the Linux desktop art at the
> moment, but an installed system got no updates at all in several
> months. That worries me.
>
> Elementary is only skin-deep in its Mac resemblance, and it's not a
> good copy of the Mac interface. I think the team took the wrong path
> in going with GNOME and Vala. They would have been *much* better off
> starting with GNUstep or Étoilé.
>
> Full ZorinOS is just a GNOME 3 skin and I don't see the point. I'd
> rather have a more widely-used fork such as Cinnamon. But ZorinOS
> Lite is a rather well-done XFCE skin and it works quite well.

So you're looking for a post-Unity DE :)

I have to install and use Elementary to understand what you mean.


>> ACK. I guess that its interface is well-suited to an X-less
>> installation.
>
> That is my impression, yes.
>
> TBH, on my home test machine, I switched it to NetworkManager
> instead, so that it worked better with GUIs.

I don't use the NM GUI on my laptop, but when I look at it on my
mother's laptop I find it pretty good.


>> But I found wicd convoluted the one time that I tried
>> it. If NetworkManager weren't wanted in some situation, I'd prefer
>> connman to wicd; I tried it yesterday for the first time (in a VM),
>> and I liked its simplicity. On my laptop, I'll stick to
>> NetworkManager or to my own scripts.
>
> Sounds reasonable. I don't think I have tried ConnMan, or not
> recently.
>
>> This was when Unity was the default. I should've proposed to split
>> "network-manager" into "network-manager-base" and "network-manager",
>> rather than ask whether the "network-manager" dependencies could be
>> lightened.
>
> Sounds good... but as George Benson sang, "Hindsight is 20:20 vision."

Sure. I might file an RFE on launchpad and it might be better received
than my email.