Cellphone email (was: Re: old disk access

[Peter Flynn]

Hi Mike,

There's a moral in this somewhere...if you need more than "bottom-rung" 
email don't use browser-based email. Many like its so-called "convenience" 
but the interfaces lack many of the controls provided by standalone MUAs 
(email clients like Thunderbird, Claws, mutt, etc).

I'm not sure I easily understand the need for "structured" email properly. 
That is, I don't seem to be able to see what problem it solves.

LaTeX is "just" a typesetter, but you are correct that it is intended for 
typesetting a whole document, not document fragments, although there are 
implementations which do that.

But you seem to be talking more about interactivity, and that's not goiong 
to be LaTeX. The example you give can be achieved with raw Javascript, but 
the frameworks are hopelessly version-unstable for an embedded solution. 
Something like Saxon-CE or Saxon-JS would do it, but a big load if it's 
invoked afresh on each email.

My own take would be to do that part on a web site, so you just put a link 
in your email at each appropriate point. Modern wide screens can easily 
have a browser window and a mailer window open side-by-side. I don't think 
there is any traction in trying to get this functionality embedded in an MUA.

Peter


On 16 May 2019 19:42:18 Mike Marchywka <marchywka at hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:01:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:
>> On Thu, 2019-05-16 at 15:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 13:50:41 +0100, Peter Flynn wrote:
>>>> Note to developers:I would pay real money for an Android MUA which
>>>> worked like an MUA is supposed to
>
> This topic recently came up on the Tex User's Group forum
> as I was asking about latex like email formats. They have a
> structure similarly machine readable to xml but if well written
> the source code is also human readable. Earlier I was frustrated
> with hotmail and gmail on a sub-Gb machine still not able to
> imagine how email needs a Gb to work lol. Even on a 4Gb laptop
> I never got outlook connector to work well with Outlook.
>
> Anyway, the appeal of structured email to me was hierarchial
> viewing that would put the most in a small screen and be easily
> selectable. I'm not sure anything like that exists. I still
> prefer only plain text and anything beyond that is "too much"
> but I would tolerate some simple structure that makes
> blocks viewable.
>
> AFAICT latex is not designed for interactive viewing like this
> but you could redefine blocks somewhat. I would for example
> get a list of papers and want to see either all titles
> or pick one block to expand to see and abstract. Scrolling
> through a literature search may not sound like a big deal but
> it can be and I think the idea could expand.
>
> I never did a literature search on technology to facilitate
> literature searches :) But if there is interest the latex
> people may have some input.
>
>
> I got my IMAP downloader to apparently work although it
> took almost an hour for 25k or so messages from a hotmail
> junk folder but it did seem to work. It was supposed to
> save the attachments and the ones I looked at seemd
> uncorrupted- the jpegs and pdfs displayed ok.
>
> I did not want this to become a research project in itself
> but now curious if I can make structured emails as examples.
>
>>>
>>>
>>> After testing the Ubuntu-Budgie live DVD my impression is that
>>> operating systems for desktop computers will drop one feature after the
>>> other. It already seems to be impossible to chose that a window is
>>> always on top.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since I'm a musician I need to use iOS instead of Android devices,
>>> but I'm not aware of a usable MUA that runs on iOS.
>>>
>>>
>>> Btw. Auria Pro, a DAW has got a menu and a tool bar and inside the app
>>> it's possible to have several windows opened that could be moved. IOW
>>> apps that are designed to get work done, work around the limitations of
>>> the portable device's operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> Seemingly the majority of users, using their portable devices in the
>>> middle of the street, have priorities other than getting work done.
>>
>> "operating system" is not the term that fits ;). However, the
>> environments do one step after the other into the wrong direction.
>>
>>
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