Keylogger

[Adam McClure]

On 12/02/2017 02:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:07:39 -0500, Adam McClure wrote:
>> On 12/02/2017 10:59 AM, Xen wrote:
>>> Ralf Mardorf schreef op 02-12-2017 16:23:  
>>>> On Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:48:39 +0100, Xen wrote:  
>>>>> Ralf Mardorf schreef op 02-12-2017 9:31:  
>>>>>> CAUTION:  Note  that  shred  relies on a very important
>>>>>> assumption: that the file system overwrites data in place.  This
>>>>>> is the traditional way to do things, but many modern file system
>>>>>> designs do not satisfy this assumption.  
>>>>>
>>>>> If I recall correctly the next piece says that this only applies to
>>>>> Ext3/4 when journal mode is DATA, which is not the default ;-).  
>>>>
>>>> While this is correct, it's still worth to mention it.
>>>>  
>>>>> Thank you for creating noise ;-).  
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't call such a notice noise. This notice - incompletely
>>>> quoting the manpage - is indeed biased, but since I provided the
>>>> pointer to the extraction of the manpage, the reader is free to
>>>> read the complete manpage. Just mentioning that the history could
>>>> be shred without giving a hint to pitfalls, is much more biased and
>>>> furthermore it's dangerous.  
>>>
>>> If you hadn't made a biased statement, I would not have had an issue.
>>>
>>> Because then you don't create the impression that this is a very
>>> serious problem, when it isn't.
>>>
>>> Creating fear in people for no reason, why do you do that?
>>>   
>> How is mentioning a warning that is halfway down on the manpage
>> "creating fear in people for no reason"?
>>
>> It was saying to be careful with the command, not creating fear.
> 
> Thank you Adam,
> 
> let alone that at least some users aren't aware that there is a
> difference between deleting (removing) a file and shredding it, on what
> ever shred level. Regarding digital forensics the "deepness" how the
> file is shred could matter a lot, too.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
> 
Hearing someone say that warnings are "creating fear" sounds more like
how a lot of Android tutorials include a step that says to start by
rooting the phone or tablet without including how easy it is to brick
the device.

Just because someone would know what they're doing on a certain device
or operating system doesn't mean that they're careful with what they do
with that device. There's always going to be people who would reinstall
their operating system every few days or weeks.
-- 
Adam McClure

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