hardware accelerated ASL entered Debian

Zeev Pekar zeev.pekar at avtechscientific.com
Thu Oct 15 17:49:24 UTC 2015

> They likely hope that somebody will do it for them, as it was done by
> somebody from the Arch community. And then after a few month they will
> send a new request to this list.
> >Regardless, this is not a developer list, it's a user support list, so 
> >you're probably asking in the wrong place.
> I've got concerns about the ASL folks.
> They send the same request to the Arch general mailing list.

We send the same request to Debian, Gentoo, Fedora and OpenSuse as well.

>  It was
> explained how Arch Linux works, that the first thing they should do is
> to package it on their own and provide it by the Arch user repository
> and that the Arch general mailing list is not the right place for such
> requests.

We didn't send any new request after that. Check the archives.

> They got a lot of help from the Arch community.

True. And from the above mentioned communities as well.

> Two month later they send a request to the Arch general mailing list
> to vote on the AUR user repository for their software, because this is
> the Arch way to get software into the official repositories.

Yes, we were told by an Arch Trusted User (who later moved the package from AUR into
official repo) that it is the way to go.

> They also
> advertised to vote on facbook, as they do on this list too.

And what is soooo bad about it?

> The original request to Ubuntu was cross-posted to three mailing lists
> ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com,
> ubuntu-motu-science at lists.ubuntu.com.

As you can see we got no responses on the relevant lists.

> The request to the Ubuntu list was send at October 13th.
> October 15th is the final freeze.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
> JFTR the correct way to get software into official Ubuntu repositories
> is to first get it into Debian repositories.

Did actually read my mail? The first link was one to the Debian repo.

> The Debian tracker
> provides the links to Ubuntu. That this is done has some reason, e.g.
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/coreutils
> IOW they completely ignore distro policies, they just ask others to do
> their homework.

There is no distro with a policy that prohibits to ask others to package software
for that distro. If you do not understand it yourself - I'll explain you
the reasoning behind that: we are upstream and know ASL well, distro developers
know the distro infrastructure and its policies well. There is no point for us
to learn the policies of 5 distros in order to get ASL packaged for them - there
are people who can do it better/faster than us. We used that time to add new features
and fix bugs - distro devs could not do that. It is an example of efficient cooperation.

> https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-August/039623.html
> They didn't get a single vote:
> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/libasl/

And this is a lie already. Which makes me to worry about your motives for writing that lengthy
message. You provided a link to the ASL package in the official repo above. There is no "Votes"
there. While bellow you provide a link to the AUR. Not quite honest as people in Ubuntu might
not know the difference. Those who have doubts whether we got the required number of votes 
can ask Evgeniy Alexeev (Arch Trusted User who moved ASL to the official repo). ASL's AUR link
with the required votes that was working at that time (and was disabled later after ASL moved)
can be seen in the message above.

> As an example, another package got 69 votes
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/palemoon-bin/
> and it didn't met it into the official Arch repositories, while they
> expect to get into the official repository with just 10 votes.
> I wonder if there are any ulterior motives.

Stop trolling and be positive. That helps.


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