12.04.2 LTS, new install, network broken

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:55:45 Tom H did opine:

> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Dave Woyciesjes
> 
> <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 07/09/2013 12:14 PM, Tom H wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Avi Greenbury <lists at avi.co> wrote:
> >>> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>>> The question is, can NM and resolvconf be excised without excising
> >>>> the rest
> >>>> of the system? TBD. In any event their initiation scripts can be
> >>>> nuked if
> >>>> found.
> >>> 
> >>> You should be fine:
> >>>      avi at fantastic:~$ apt-get --simulate remove network-manager
> >>> 
> >>> resolvconf
> >>> 
> >>>      NOTE: This is only a simulation!
> >>>      
> >>>            apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.
> >>>            Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,
> >>>            so don't depend on the relevance to the real current
> >>> 
> >>> situation!
> >>> 
> >>>      Reading package lists... Done
> >>>      Building dependency tree
> >>>      Reading state information... Done
> >>>      The following packages were automatically installed and are no
> >>> 
> >>> longer required:
> >>>        libllvm3.1:i386 linux-headers-3.8.0-18
> >>> 
> >>> linux-headers-3.8.0-18-generic linux-image-3.8.0-18-generic
> >>> linux-image-extra-3.8.0-18-generic
> >>> 
> >>>      Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> >>>      The following packages will be REMOVED
> >>>      
> >>>        network-manager network-manager-gnome resolvconf
> >>>        ubuntu-minimal
> >>>      
> >>>      0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 66 not upgraded.
> >>>      Remv network-manager-gnome [0.9.8.0-1ubuntu2]
> >>>      Remv network-manager [0.9.8.0-0ubuntu6]
> >>>      Remv ubuntu-minimal [1.299]
> >>>      Remv resolvconf [1.69ubuntu1]
> >>>      avi at fantastic:~$
> >> 
> >> Is advising people to remove ubuntu-minimal (especially as a list
> >> admin) appropriate? If you don't want to use resolvconf on a system,
> >> disable it. If the few KB/MB that it takes up disturb you, use equivs
> >> to create a dummy replacement resolvconf package.
> > 
> > Advising most people to remove it? No, not a good idea. But Gene H. is
> > not most people. Also, he asked a specific question, and got the
> > answer.
> 
> 1) I'm sure that Google differentiates between advice given to Gene
> and advice given to someone else...
> 
I doubt that.

> 2) Advising anyone to remove ubuntu-minimal is silly.
> 
> 3) I don't see how you (and one other person in this thread) think
> that Gene knows what he's doing when he could only fix a networking
> problem by copying some files over from another installation rather
> than finding the root cause and correcting the problem directly.

And I will repeat again, boring the rest of the list, that the 
configuration tools offered, when I installed from the small initial 
screen, could not be coerced into working, nothing I entered in the 
configurator screen you can bring up from that windshield wiper pattern 
icon on the upper right task bar would un-ghost the apply button, just as 
if I had no permissions to modify any of those files.

It wasn't until the 3rd install attempt failed in exactly the same manner 
that I gave up and fixed it the "Sid Dabster" way.  And with no way of 
knowing that resolvconf was over writing my resolv.conf at every bootup 
with an empty dummy file, I took the obvious path of doing a "chattr +i 
resolv.conf" as root.

And TBT, I am tired of being treated as the bad-ass here when its the 
installer that is broken when you install directly from that first, 
postcard sized screen.

As 2 or 3 others here have testified, let it boot all the way from the 
cd/dvd, configure the network then, and then install from the icon in the 
upper left corner of that screen, then it Just Works(TM).  All you need to 
do to restore your local network is to add the other machines to the 
/etc/hosts file, which is absolutely no big deal.

Cheers, Gene
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