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[Liam Proven]

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Doug <dmcgarrett at optonline.net> wrote:
> On 01/29/2011 01:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Doug<dmcgarrett at optonline.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/28/2011 08:04 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Doug<dmcgarrett at optonline.net>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> /snip/
>>>>>
>>>>>    Gmail is good and free and doesn't crud up your email with
>>>>> "features".
>>>>>    Select text mode in your Gmail setup. It just works.
>>>>>
>>>>>> My boss is tied in with this and I ~loathe~ it.<spits>      You'll
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> it off the ground with that between you and collaborators. They'll go
>>>>>> crazy in short order and disappear. Ali, since you're not on the
>>>>>> receiving end of your email, you don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> /snip/
>>>>>
>>>>> Several folks have complained on this and other lists, that they don't
>>>>> know
>>>>> if their mail is being received on the list, _because Gmail deletes
>>>>> those
>>>>> messages_ from the "received" mail.
>>>>
>>>> *Sigh*
>>>>
>>>> No, it doesn't. Please do not spread FUD when you clearly don't know
>>>> the exact details of what you're complaining about.
>>>>
>>>> Gmail does not show you messages *from yourself* /until/ someone
>>>> replies to them. That's all. It does not delete anything and your
>>>> outgoing messages are still right there in your Sent folder.
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't like the behaviour, but it doesn't delete anything.
>>>>
>>> You didn't read what I wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did read it. I understood it. I am telling you that you are wrong.
>>
>>> I said that Gmail deletes messages from
>>>  _received,_ i.e., incoming mail.
>>
>> I know what you said. Gmail DOES NOT DELETE ANY OF YOUR MESSAGES.
>>
>> Clear? It *does not delete your email.*
>>
>> It does not /show/ it in a message list BUT IT IS STILL THERE and you
>> can see it in your Sent folder.
>>
>> If it then puts them back if they are
>>
> Here is a message from the Debian list, quoted in toto:
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:40:15 +0000, elbbit wrote:
>
>
>> >  On 26/01/11 22:01, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>  I believe it's a Gmail feature the inbound copy of the message is
>>>> >>>  discarded because it already has a copy in the sent folder.
>>>
>>> >>  >>  Yes, I've been working around that "feature" by receiving all
>>> >> list mail
>>> >>  to a different account.
>>> >>
>>
>> >  Many thanks to all who replied.  I appreciate you taking the time.
>> >  >  It is moderately annoying as I use my Gmail account with POP3, set
>> > to
>> >  download and remove all messages from the server.  I am also using the
>> >  Gmail SMTP server, and it appears that mail sent goes to the webmail's
>> >  Sent folder - and there is no option in the Gmail interface to disable
>> >  Google saving a copy when I deliver mail via SMTP.
>
> Yes, and it is one of those documented "features" of Gmail:
>
> ***
> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=82454#Bounce
>
> Finally, if you're sending mail to a mailing list that you subscribe to,
> those messages will only appear in 'Sent Mail.' This behavior also occurs
> when sending to an email address that automatically forwards mail back to
> your Gmail address. To test forwarding addresses or mailing lists, use a
> different email address to send your message.
> ***
>
> Another bypass to jump this "feature" and still keep using your Gmail
> address in the reply-to field could be using a different "smtp" gateway
> service for sending e-mails instead using Gmail's one. Some e-mail
> servers will allow to relay the e-mail if you provide the right
> credentials for authentication.
>
> Greetings,
>
> -- Camaleón
>
> Now here is a completely independent corroboration of what I
> have said. It really doesn't matter what shows in a "sent mail" directory.
> That doesn't mean the mail got delivered to the mailing list, it just means
> that it was picked up by the server. After that it could have been sent to
> /dev/nul and no-one would be the wiser. --doug

It's not confirmation. Nothing is being deleted. There is a world of
difference between "hidden" and "deleted". The message is there, was
delivered, it just does not appear unless someone replies to it.

I don't like the functionality either - I think it's a dumb idea - but
claiming that it is something different or that something is occurring
that is not is unhelpful, unproductive and in the end untrue.

-- 
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